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ToraTiger said:

...and since the 3DS version will have the same amount, and god know's there's a huge space limit on that thing, I can't see there being any more than 2-3 characters left at most....


3DS cards can be made to hold up to 8GB.  Every game made so far is less than 4GB.  The largest game so far, Bravely Default, is 3.24GB.



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ToraTiger said:


Ike and Marth are similar, they just have different powers/speeds.  If someone where to take Ike and increase his speed and down he's power, he would be so much like Marth it's ridiculous.   They both have charged attacks also.

And fyi, I said they were similar and that toon link was a clone character, but not as much as a clone when compared to Lucina. 

I don't want to be dismissive, but I literally don't know what to say. Aside from Counter, I have zero idea how you could legitimately reach that conclusion. I'm speechless.


Of course they aren't clones, but they are similar, both sword fighters, play the reach game, they just have completely different stats so they play different. 



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garretslarrity said:
ToraTiger said:

...and since the 3DS version will have the same amount, and god know's there's a huge space limit on that thing, I can't see there being any more than 2-3 characters left at most....


3DS cards can be made to hold up to 8GB.  Every game made so far is less than 4GB.  The largest game so far, Bravely Default, is 3.24GB.

This true?  Even though the 3DS hasn't a game the caliber of SSB in size.



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Zukoninma said:
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As a Fire Emblem fan, I was very disappointed that this announcement got received so poorly (compared to other reveals at least) People seem to forget that characters like Ness, Lucas, Marth have become very well known and iconic because of their inclusion in smash. Infact, I think MANY would be upset to see these characters go away. When people first saw these characters, they didn't know who they were. Now we have a very similar situation, people don't know who Robin or Lucina are, now once they play as them in Smash, It will make people more aware of games they may not have tried. Smash is actually the reason I play Fire Emblem, because I discovered the franchise through smash. The fact that people are already discarding these characters before even playing as them in the ACTUAL GAME is immature. I do know that Lucina looks to be a clone, she actually was supposed to be a costume for Marth. It seems that Sakurai wanted to pad out the roster a little. Putting her on the roster probably took so few resources to even make a dent in any other character making it in and adds another female character to the roster. Robin on the other hand looks to be like one of the most unique fighters in the game, with sword melee attacks and magic special attacks that have durability and come in many varieties. Overall, I am very happy with the reveals but I wish other people weren't so close-minded about characters they are unfamiliar with.

You know what, I'm a fan too, and I'm usually not the type to complain about something in a game I know I'll end up getting day 1.

But there's the thing, Smash already gave Fire Emblem it's spot light, 12 years ago, and now they're  doing it again.  Like I've stated here, it's a game that's not for everyone (They were gonna cancel it).  And I think you're forgetting that these characters are in the same series, and I don't think Fire Emblem could get any more popular than it is.   I discovered FE also from Smash, but don't you think these slots are better used for characters from other Nintendo franchises that people don't know?  Like Fire Emblem before Melee? This series is already not well known, it's had it's time.  

Lucina IS a clone, the biggest clone they've made since Doctor Mario, and they give her a slot.  It's 2014, why is this even happening?  Should have kept her as a costume or DLC or something.   Robin looks cool, but that's not why I'm bitching about it.   When I showed my class the annoucment video they had no idea who these people were, someone said a girl Marth?  I know them and I love Fire Emblem also, but as a last annoucment this is in really poor taste. 

And that was the last annoucment.  Talk about a freaking sizzle to end smash's hype.

I disagree on the point that Fire Emblem can't get more popular. Awakening to me looks like the beginning of a new heavy-hitting franchise for Nintendo. But I guess this is based on perspective and our own personal experiences (I got many of my friends to purchase Awakening and they thought it wasn't for them until they bought it, played it, and loved it) Yes, I agree to that other franchises should get the spotlight but these characters from Fire Emblem havn't affected their chances, it seems like Robin was planned from day 1 and like I stated before Lucina was probably so easy to put into a slot that it didn't affect development at all for other newcomers. The Robin comment was more directed at Pavolink than anyone else. Also this is definatley not the last announcement, if it is then I agree it's not a fitting end for the reveals. But Sakurai said he was NEARING the end of the newcomer videos, I'd expect at least another Smash Bros. Direct with another couple Newcomer reveals. As Fire Emblem getting the spotlight once more, I beleive it deserves it. Maybe not as much as other underrated and unknown IP, but it still to me is one of franchises that deserves to be up there with Zelda and Mario.

Depends on how you mean by heavy hitting.  It's been in the US for 10 years and finally hit a homerun-ish sales, but I credit that to the drought of games on the 3DS compared to the original DS.  This' is why I think Lucina havving her own slot is a bad idea, it took zero effort to make her she's the exact same as Marth,  and adds absolutely nothing to the game, and yet she get's a slot where there could've been a newcomer from a  new franchise.   I do think this hurts their chances since that was the last video, the game's out in less than 3 months, we'll get one more video tops.  

  Another reason I see this as wrong is because there's only 2 Metroid characters, and it's tied with Zelda now.  That's tied for third among most reps.  WTF.  Literally so little bit of people know these guys, and they get 4 characters?  That's a bit dumb if you ask me.   They're losing valuble money they could be using advertising Xenoblade and other franchises that are less known, but could appeal to far more people if given the oppurtunity  Fire Emblem is a  good franchise, but I don't think there's a lot of room for growth, which is why I think it excells as a portable game.

I'd credit that recent sucess to the quality and acessability of awakening, as well as good marketing. To me it seems like nintendo want Fire Emblem to become a major franchise. From what I can tell, Lucina was put in late in development, at a point where all the the other newcomers arriving were already final. I'm pretty sure Lucina is just filler. Then we currently expect different things from nintendo, you expect maximum one video, while that is the mininmum I expect, so this announcment means different things to us.

The way I see it (and I know many others won't see it this way) Is that Fire Emblem has 3.5 characters in smash. Robin was character 3, and Lucina is basicallly a complete clone added in late in development long after all the other newcomers were set in stone. Yes, there are literally 4 characters, but no other franchise (in my eyes) is getting shunned an oppritunity by their inclusion than they already had when develpoment of the game began. I agree, 4 reps is one to many, but the 4th character hasn't hurt another franchise in order to get in.

I know you said quality, but I disagree, the older Fire Emblem games are better imo, though I'm not gonna argue that, and yes acessabilty means a lot.  Fire Emblem has been a major franchise for some time, it has 14 games, it just isn't that popular, when compared to other Nintendo I.Ps, and a lot of it's fame was garnered through smash and advertising.

Sakurai said this was the last stash video.   Thing is though, there being 3.5 fire emblem and all 4 of them are using up character slots.  I do think the fourth is hurting, cause like I said Sakurai said he didn't want the game to have too many characters, and since the 3DS version will have the same amount, and god know's there's a huge space limit on that thing, I can't see there being any more than 2-3 characters left at most.  Still there's no new Metroid or Zelda character, one new Mario charactor, and only 2 Star fox reps.   One less from Brawl.

I do agree that the older games are better, but the critic reveiws and user score for Awakening are the highest in the series. Hell, Fire Emblem is the highest rated game on the 3ds that is not a port or remake. So the public (not the fire emblem community) veiws FE:A as the best in the series.

Sakurai NEVER stated that this is the last reveal video, he said that they are NEARLY out of videos. Sakurai is also one of the most unpredictable people on the planet and I highly doubt there are gonna be only 2-3 charcters left. Unless he is gonna cut a huge portion of the Brawl roster, which would upset many people. Then again when sakurai says "nearing the end of the reveals" we have no idea how many are left, so you could say the same about there being more reveals. Right now it's a toss-up. We not gonna come to an agreement as we both are looking at Sakurai and assuming he will do different things, when he is the most trollish and crazy developer at nintendo :)

So that wasn't the last video?  Well if there's 7-8 more characters (Including returners) then I guess I wouldn't really mind.   Even though there's already clones, and it's 2014 and I don't know why they're doing that.  If there 2 more videos I'm all for it.  So hopefully Shulk and the Choir kids still got a shot.  :D



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ToraTiger said:
garretslarrity said:
ToraTiger said:

...and since the 3DS version will have the same amount, and god know's there's a huge space limit on that thing, I can't see there being any more than 2-3 characters left at most....


3DS cards can be made to hold up to 8GB.  Every game made so far is less than 4GB.  The largest game so far, Bravely Default, is 3.24GB.

This true?  Even though the 3DS hasn't a game the caliber of SSB in size.

Yes, it's true.  So even if Smash is the biggest 3DS game, space will never be the issue, no matter how many characters they add.



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ToraTiger said:
Zukoninma said:
ToraTiger said:
Zukoninma said:
ToraTiger said:
Zukoninma said:
ToraTiger said:
Zukoninma said:
As a Fire Emblem fan, I was very disappointed that this announcement got received so poorly (compared to other reveals at least) People seem to forget that characters like Ness, Lucas, Marth have become very well known and iconic because of their inclusion in smash. Infact, I think MANY would be upset to see these characters go away. When people first saw these characters, they didn't know who they were. Now we have a very similar situation, people don't know who Robin or Lucina are, now once they play as them in Smash, It will make people more aware of games they may not have tried. Smash is actually the reason I play Fire Emblem, because I discovered the franchise through smash. The fact that people are already discarding these characters before even playing as them in the ACTUAL GAME is immature. I do know that Lucina looks to be a clone, she actually was supposed to be a costume for Marth. It seems that Sakurai wanted to pad out the roster a little. Putting her on the roster probably took so few resources to even make a dent in any other character making it in and adds another female character to the roster. Robin on the other hand looks to be like one of the most unique fighters in the game, with sword melee attacks and magic special attacks that have durability and come in many varieties. Overall, I am very happy with the reveals but I wish other people weren't so close-minded about characters they are unfamiliar with.

You know what, I'm a fan too, and I'm usually not the type to complain about something in a game I know I'll end up getting day 1.

But there's the thing, Smash already gave Fire Emblem it's spot light, 12 years ago, and now they're  doing it again.  Like I've stated here, it's a game that's not for everyone (They were gonna cancel it).  And I think you're forgetting that these characters are in the same series, and I don't think Fire Emblem could get any more popular than it is.   I discovered FE also from Smash, but don't you think these slots are better used for characters from other Nintendo franchises that people don't know?  Like Fire Emblem before Melee? This series is already not well known, it's had it's time.  

Lucina IS a clone, the biggest clone they've made since Doctor Mario, and they give her a slot.  It's 2014, why is this even happening?  Should have kept her as a costume or DLC or something.   Robin looks cool, but that's not why I'm bitching about it.   When I showed my class the annoucment video they had no idea who these people were, someone said a girl Marth?  I know them and I love Fire Emblem also, but as a last annoucment this is in really poor taste. 

And that was the last annoucment.  Talk about a freaking sizzle to end smash's hype.

I disagree on the point that Fire Emblem can't get more popular. Awakening to me looks like the beginning of a new heavy-hitting franchise for Nintendo. But I guess this is based on perspective and our own personal experiences (I got many of my friends to purchase Awakening and they thought it wasn't for them until they bought it, played it, and loved it) Yes, I agree to that other franchises should get the spotlight but these characters from Fire Emblem havn't affected their chances, it seems like Robin was planned from day 1 and like I stated before Lucina was probably so easy to put into a slot that it didn't affect development at all for other newcomers. The Robin comment was more directed at Pavolink than anyone else. Also this is definatley not the last announcement, if it is then I agree it's not a fitting end for the reveals. But Sakurai said he was NEARING the end of the newcomer videos, I'd expect at least another Smash Bros. Direct with another couple Newcomer reveals. As Fire Emblem getting the spotlight once more, I beleive it deserves it. Maybe not as much as other underrated and unknown IP, but it still to me is one of franchises that deserves to be up there with Zelda and Mario.

Depends on how you mean by heavy hitting.  It's been in the US for 10 years and finally hit a homerun-ish sales, but I credit that to the drought of games on the 3DS compared to the original DS.  This' is why I think Lucina havving her own slot is a bad idea, it took zero effort to make her she's the exact same as Marth,  and adds absolutely nothing to the game, and yet she get's a slot where there could've been a newcomer from a  new franchise.   I do think this hurts their chances since that was the last video, the game's out in less than 3 months, we'll get one more video tops.  

  Another reason I see this as wrong is because there's only 2 Metroid characters, and it's tied with Zelda now.  That's tied for third among most reps.  WTF.  Literally so little bit of people know these guys, and they get 4 characters?  That's a bit dumb if you ask me.   They're losing valuble money they could be using advertising Xenoblade and other franchises that are less known, but could appeal to far more people if given the oppurtunity  Fire Emblem is a  good franchise, but I don't think there's a lot of room for growth, which is why I think it excells as a portable game.

I'd credit that recent sucess to the quality and acessability of awakening, as well as good marketing. To me it seems like nintendo want Fire Emblem to become a major franchise. From what I can tell, Lucina was put in late in development, at a point where all the the other newcomers arriving were already final. I'm pretty sure Lucina is just filler. Then we currently expect different things from nintendo, you expect maximum one video, while that is the mininmum I expect, so this announcment means different things to us.

The way I see it (and I know many others won't see it this way) Is that Fire Emblem has 3.5 characters in smash. Robin was character 3, and Lucina is basicallly a complete clone added in late in development long after all the other newcomers were set in stone. Yes, there are literally 4 characters, but no other franchise (in my eyes) is getting shunned an oppritunity by their inclusion than they already had when develpoment of the game began. I agree, 4 reps is one to many, but the 4th character hasn't hurt another franchise in order to get in.

I know you said quality, but I disagree, the older Fire Emblem games are better imo, though I'm not gonna argue that, and yes acessabilty means a lot.  Fire Emblem has been a major franchise for some time, it has 14 games, it just isn't that popular, when compared to other Nintendo I.Ps, and a lot of it's fame was garnered through smash and advertising.

Sakurai said this was the last stash video.   Thing is though, there being 3.5 fire emblem and all 4 of them are using up character slots.  I do think the fourth is hurting, cause like I said Sakurai said he didn't want the game to have too many characters, and since the 3DS version will have the same amount, and god know's there's a huge space limit on that thing, I can't see there being any more than 2-3 characters left at most.  Still there's no new Metroid or Zelda character, one new Mario charactor, and only 2 Star fox reps.   One less from Brawl.

I do agree that the older games are better, but the critic reveiws and user score for Awakening are the highest in the series. Hell, Fire Emblem is the highest rated game on the 3ds that is not a port or remake. So the public (not the fire emblem community) veiws FE:A as the best in the series.

Sakurai NEVER stated that this is the last reveal video, he said that they are NEARLY out of videos. Sakurai is also one of the most unpredictable people on the planet and I highly doubt there are gonna be only 2-3 charcters left. Unless he is gonna cut a huge portion of the Brawl roster, which would upset many people. Then again when sakurai says "nearing the end of the reveals" we have no idea how many are left, so you could say the same about there being more reveals. Right now it's a toss-up. We not gonna come to an agreement as we both are looking at Sakurai and assuming he will do different things, when he is the most trollish and crazy developer at nintendo :)

So that wasn't the last video?  Well if there's 7-8 more characters (Including returners) then I guess I wouldn't really mind.   Even though there's already clones, and it's 2014 and I don't know why they're doing that.  If there 2 more videos I'm all for it.  So hopefully Shulk and the Choir kids still got a shot.  :D

Yep, I still think both Shulk and the choir boys have a shot, but sakurai is full of surprises! I'm really not against clones if they don't affect anyone else chances. Anyways, it's been nice debating and discussing with you. :)



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ToraTiger said:


1. Brawl was released on Wii 6 years ago, there was a limit as to how much they could fit on the disc, and the game pretty much maxed the space allotted on a Wii DVD.  Since they're are 36 characters (I think), and these were the last of them, that is severally dissapointing to me.   


Huh ? It's not over yet, not all characters are revelead, and they will probably not all be until the game is out.

For brawl, we didn't know a lot of characters until we played the game, maybe it will be the same here, we will see.



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Pavolink said:
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You dont kno S*** about smash i see. Marth/Ike/Robin are completely unique, only an idiot or somebody that doesn't kno SSB would think they were clones.. As of Now Lucina is the only clone but we haven't see her fully yet

I'm an idiot who likes to play with unique important characters, like the first SSB, rather than buy a game full of clones, like SSB for WiiU.

So you don't like SSBU because this game have 2 clone (Toon link/Lucina), but you like SSBM because this game don't have clones, except Drmario/falco/Ganondeurf/Pichu/roy/young link.

Great logic, sir. Try to troll better next time.

You do realise that Melee wasn't the first Smash Bros, right? When he says "the first SSB", he's not talking about Melee.



Aielyn said:
Namiirei said:
Pavolink said:
tbone51 said:


You dont kno S*** about smash i see. Marth/Ike/Robin are completely unique, only an idiot or somebody that doesn't kno SSB would think they were clones.. As of Now Lucina is the only clone but we haven't see her fully yet

I'm an idiot who likes to play with unique important characters, like the first SSB, rather than buy a game full of clones, like SSB for WiiU.

So you don't like SSBU because this game have 2 clone (Toon link/Lucina), but you like SSBM because this game don't have clones, except Drmario/falco/Ganondeurf/Pichu/roy/young link.

Great logic, sir. Try to troll better next time.

You do realise that Melee wasn't the first Smash Bros, right? When he says "the first SSB", he's not talking about Melee.

Every other post of his he brings up Melee though so easy to get confused.  But people should quit quoting him.  He is just trolling, and obviously know very little of smash bros.  If he has put any time into the games as he tries to make it seems like has he would know that over half the shit he has been spouting is completely untrue.  Such as his Marth/Ike clone arguments. 



Namiirei said:
ToraTiger said:
 


1. Brawl was released on Wii 6 years ago, there was a limit as to how much they could fit on the disc, and the game pretty much maxed the space allotted on a Wii DVD.  Since they're are 36 characters (I think), and these were the last of them, that is severally dissapointing to me.   


Huh ? It's not over yet, not all characters are revelead, and they will probably not all be until the game is out.

For brawl, we didn't know a lot of characters until we played the game, maybe it will be the same here, we will see.


Hopefully, I'm excited now that I know that wasn't the last video.  Hopefully it's just the beginning. 



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