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Microsoft DID NOT introduce online gaming. Steam came out a year later, so it was in the works when XBL was introduced. Not to mention, there was online gaming, just not over a unified network. Also, the original xbox didn't loosen sony's grip on the console market, sony was just stupid 7th gen.They had dominated the two previous gens making the two best selling home consoles of all time, so they were incredibly arrogant. Then they thought that people would still want a ps3 at a $600 price tag. Microsoft was able to capitalize off of this with the 360, until the ps3 became not stupid. Then the ps3 dominated the rest of the gen, putting a couple million ahead of the 360. Then you add in the fact that nintendo struck major gold with the wii and revitalized their consoles a bit.
Then this gen, nintendo made a console that appealed to very few people, creating another gamecube/n64 situation. Microsoft also came in incredibly arrogant (even though they still technically lost the 7th gen). They made a console that's weaker, bulkier, and more expensive. Which they just kind of fixed by making it the same price. Microsoft seems like sony at the beginning of last gen, except they don't have a reason to be arrogant. Unless something massive happens to change the tide, sony is reclaiming its thrown this gen.



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Danman27 said:
Microsoft DID NOT introduce online gaming. Steam came out a year later, so it was in the works when XBL was introduced. Not to mention, there was online gaming, just not over a unified network. Also, the original xbox didn't loosen sony's grip on the console market, sony was just stupid 7th gen.They had dominated the two previous gens making the two best selling home consoles of all time, so they were incredibly arrogant. Then they thought that people would still want a ps3 at a $600 price tag. Microsoft was able to capitalize off of this with the 360, until the ps3 became not stupid. Then the ps3 dominated the rest of the gen, putting a couple million ahead of the 360. Then you add in the fact that nintendo struck major gold with the wii and revitalized their consoles a bit.
Then this gen, nintendo made a console that appealed to very few people, creating another gamecube/n64 situation. Microsoft also came in incredibly arrogant (even though they still technically lost the 7th gen). They made a console that's weaker, bulkier, and more expensive. Which they just kind of fixed by making it the same price. Microsoft seems like sony at the beginning of last gen, except they don't have a reason to be arrogant. Unless something massive happens to change the tide, sony is reclaiming its thrown this gen.

First of all, I already adressed that, literally 2 posts above.

Second of all, applying personal judgements to the actions of companies is fallacious. These are corporations not people, Sony tried something with the PS3 it didn't work allowing Xbox to claim its marketshare. Nothing is stupid about that. The allegations that these companies are prideful, stupid, greedy, or any other positive or negative judgement of character is simply childish. Sure we can personally believe what we want, but in the an objective debate these qualifications make no sense. 
If a company makes a mistake, and its competitors benefit from that, then both parties are responsible, one fucked up and the other capitalized on that fuck up. Microsoft purposely made the 360 what it was and vice versa for Sony and the PS3. The industry decided who it favored. The Nintendo Wii.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

padib said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

How are you qualifying any of that? The second line in the OP was "Nintendo dominated the 3rd and 4th Generations", just because they sold well doesn't mean we can ascertain the reasons why they sold well, not to mention we barely have information on their sales figures in the first place, at the very least this site doesn't track that far.

Furthermore, PlayStation was only involved from DS and 64 onwards. Sure Nintendo has dominated the handheld market, but in the home console market that strategy has not worked and the only time it has worked was when Nintendo adressable market increased significantly. At the very least, 70 million consumers where added to the market. 20+20+150 = 190 vs 260 = 100 + 80 + 80.

We can only use information we have, and their is none to suggest that 1, 2, 3 are true and verifiyable, and they are relative and can't even be proven. SNES and NES weren't competing against PlayStation, that right their makes that evidence invalid. Nintendo has had success in the handheld market since GB but since that same success has not applied to its home consoles then either the approach is different or the market is. 

I regard their approaches as exactly the same, competitive price and competitive library, but while that is finally working for the 3DS and worked for the handhelds before it. That has not worked for the home consoles, only when Nintendo has adressed a new market, as they did with the Wii are they succesful in the home console front after 5th generation.

You are evaluating Nintendo's recipe for success againt the playstation timeline, that's your error.

The only information on Nintendo's strategy, is what they've done and the result of what they've done. The SNES and the NES are nigh irrelevant because Nintendo had not faced a competitor like Sony and later MS before.

Other than that, PS came at the time of the Gameboy. I also don't need numbers to know that the NES dominated anything an everything in its time. Luckily I was alive then. I'm not so sure you were.

Again, 2/3 generations to PS in the home console market. SNES, NES, and Handheld are irrelevant to the current competiton that Nintendo faces in the home console market. 

I'd also like to say that if Sony created the current market, then it's not something I would be proud of. I think the industry took a turn for the worst since Sony and MS entered the arena. Focus is on guns and sex, violence, JRPGs are nearly extinct, all of the worst 3rd parties reign, it's not an industry I very much like. (I'm speaking about everything apart from Nintendo and some PC games I still enjoy).

I haven't made any statements judging the state of the market, because that does require a comprehensive look on the industry, something that this thread doesn't even begin to address. Like I said previously, it doesn't matter what you think or feel, this is only an evaulation of how the current consoles are doing and how history lead up to it. Not to mention that many jRPGs came into being 5th and 6th gen, Violent video games predate the PS brand, but that is a discussion for a different thread.

Suffice it to say, 3rd parties are of paramount important in the current market, without that Nintendo doesn't stand a chance let alone its prefereance of family friendly titles which hampers its diversity slightly. These are the same principles that PlayStation and later the Xbox were built upon so they flourish in this type of market. This is partly why both of these console are very similar, they don't need to address a different market, they just need to address the traditional one the best. This is also why the Vita, despite its featureset, is flopping, because like the Wii U, it still only has niche appeal and needs to find a larger unadressed market to claim a larger marketshare. Unfortunately, the Vita is a much worse situation then the Wii U, only mediated by the the properties of the market it addresses. All the Wii U needs to do is tap into a market similar to that of the Wii. Its a question of whether that market, is reliable, but for the Vita it doesn't even have that.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Wii gamers mostly weren't gamers. They were families who could finally enjoy gaming because the bar was essentially lowered so everyone could enjoy it. The sales of core exclusives on Nintendo took a toll outside of first party as well.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Danman27 said:
Microsoft DID NOT introduce online gaming. Steam came out a year later, so it was in the works when XBL was introduced. Not to mention, there was online gaming, just not over a unified network. Also, the original xbox didn't loosen sony's grip on the console market, sony was just stupid 7th gen.They had dominated the two previous gens making the two best selling home consoles of all time, so they were incredibly arrogant. Then they thought that people would still want a ps3 at a $600 price tag. Microsoft was able to capitalize off of this with the 360, until the ps3 became not stupid. Then the ps3 dominated the rest of the gen, putting a couple million ahead of the 360. Then you add in the fact that nintendo struck major gold with the wii and revitalized their consoles a bit.
Then this gen, nintendo made a console that appealed to very few people, creating another gamecube/n64 situation. Microsoft also came in incredibly arrogant (even though they still technically lost the 7th gen). They made a console that's weaker, bulkier, and more expensive. Which they just kind of fixed by making it the same price. Microsoft seems like sony at the beginning of last gen, except they don't have a reason to be arrogant. Unless something massive happens to change the tide, sony is reclaiming its thrown this gen.

First of all, I already adressed that, literally 2 posts above.

Second of all, applying personal judgements to the actions of companies is fallacious. These are corporations not people, Sony tried something with the PS3 it didn't work allowing Xbox to claim its marketshare. Nothing is stupid about that. The allegations that these companies are prideful, stupid, greedy, or any other positive or negative judgement of character is simply childish. Sure we can personally believe what we want, but in the an objective debate these qualifications make no sense. 
If a company makes a mistake, and its competitors benefit from that, then both parties are responsible, one fucked up and the other capitalized on that fuck up. Microsoft purposely made the 360 what it was and vice versa for Sony and the PS3. The industry decided who it favored. The Nintendo Wii.

I'm not saying microsoft didn't do a good job with the 360. But watch e3 2006 and tell me that THE PEOPLE  (because I guess I need to make the distinction) at sony weren't incredibly arrogant. And the watch e3 2013 and tell me that THE PEOPLE at microsoft weren't arrogant. Sony's arrogance made their console less appealing for the first couple years. No, a company doesn't have emotions, but the peopple who run them do. Very few decisions can be made completely objectively. Sony reps said that if you don't like the price of the ps3, get a second job. That's screams arrogance. I don't know what you're trying to proce with this post though, honestly. The reason sony had trouble last gen and microsoft this gen is because of stupid choices made thinking that they were now infallible. Then based on those choices, people picked a console. It's almost like you think that I don't know that consumers make the choice. I'm very aware of this. As for you adressing what I said two posts above. Sorry, I don't have time to read through a twenty page thread. 



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This must have been written by someone born in the mid 90's.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Not sure if serious...



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Danman27 said:

I'm not saying microsoft didn't do a good job with the 360. But watch e3 2006 and tell me that THE PEOPLE  (because I guess I need to make the distinction) at sony weren't incredibly arrogant. And the watch e3 2013 and tell me that THE PEOPLE at microsoft weren't arrogant. Sony's arrogance made their console less appealing for the first couple years. No, a company doesn't have emotions, but the peopple who run them do. Very few decisions can be made completely objectively. Sony reps said that if you don't like the price of the ps3, get a second job. That's screams arrogance. I don't know what you're trying to proce with this post though, honestly. The reason sony had trouble last gen and microsoft this gen is because of stupid choices made thinking that they were now infallible. Then based on those choices, people picked a console. It's almost like you think that I don't know that consumers make the choice. I'm very aware of this. As for you adressing what I said two posts above. Sorry, I don't have time to read through a twenty page thread. 

They weren't incredibly arrogant. They simply believed the PS3 was the superior console. That's pride, not arrogance.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

I agree for the most part.



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Xbox One - PS4 - Wii U - PC

jigokutamago said:
daredevil.shark said:
Agreed with the title. Playstation saved gaming industry twice. With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. And PS4 saved the console industry with their stance against DRM. Long live playstation.

What a relief, now they can play a different game over and over again!

Now we get new Call of Duty every year for us mature gamers.