PlayStation created the Industry, Xbox changed the playing field

[Dr.Henry_Killinger]

padib said:

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

How are you qualifying any of that? The second line in the OP was "Nintendo dominated the 3rd and 4th Generations", just because they sold well doesn't mean we can ascertain the reasons why they sold well, not to mention we barely have information on their sales figures in the first place, at the very least this site doesn't track that far.

Furthermore, PlayStation was only involved from DS and 64 onwards. Sure Nintendo has dominated the handheld market, but in the home console market that strategy has not worked and the only time it has worked was when Nintendo adressable market increased significantly. At the very least, 70 million consumers where added to the market. 20+20+150 = 190 vs 260 = 100 + 80 + 80.

We can only use information we have, and their is none to suggest that 1, 2, 3 are true and verifiyable, and they are relative and can't even be proven. SNES and NES weren't competing against PlayStation, that right their makes that evidence invalid. Nintendo has had success in the handheld market since GB but since that same success has not applied to its home consoles then either the approach is different or the market is. 

I regard their approaches as exactly the same, competitive price and competitive library, but while that is finally working for the 3DS and worked for the handhelds before it. That has not worked for the home consoles, only when Nintendo has adressed a new market, as they did with the Wii are they succesful in the home console front after 5th generation.

You are evaluating Nintendo's recipe for success againt the playstation timeline, that's your error.

The only information on Nintendo's strategy, is what they've done and the result of what they've done. The SNES and the NES are nigh irrelevant because Nintendo had not faced a competitor like Sony and later MS before.

Other than that, PS came at the time of the Gameboy. I also don't need numbers to know that the NES dominated anything an everything in its time. Luckily I was alive then. I'm not so sure you were.

Again, 2/3 generations to PS in the home console market. SNES, NES, and Handheld are irrelevant to the current competiton that Nintendo faces in the home console market. 

I'd also like to say that if Sony created the current market, then it's not something I would be proud of. I think the industry took a turn for the worst since Sony and MS entered the arena. Focus is on guns and sex, violence, JRPGs are nearly extinct, all of the worst 3rd parties reign, it's not an industry I very much like. (I'm speaking about everything apart from Nintendo and some PC games I still enjoy).

I haven't made any statements judging the state of the market, because that does require a comprehensive look on the industry, something that this thread doesn't even begin to address. Like I said previously, it doesn't matter what you think or feel, this is only an evaulation of how the current consoles are doing and how history lead up to it. Not to mention that many jRPGs came into being 5th and 6th gen, Violent video games predate the PS brand, but that is a discussion for a different thread.

Suffice it to say, 3rd parties are of paramount important in the current market, without that Nintendo doesn't stand a chance let alone its prefereance of family friendly titles which hampers its diversity slightly. These are the same principles that PlayStation and later the Xbox were built upon so they flourish in this type of market. This is partly why both of these console are very similar, they don't need to address a different market, they just need to address the traditional one the best. This is also why the Vita, despite its featureset, is flopping, because like the Wii U, it still only has niche appeal and needs to find a larger unadressed market to claim a larger marketshare. Unfortunately, the Vita is a much worse situation then the Wii U, only mediated by the the properties of the market it addresses. All the Wii U needs to do is tap into a market similar to that of the Wii. Its a question of whether that market, is reliable, but for the Vita it doesn't even have that.