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BeElite said:
DarkD said:
BeElite said:

PS4 is 8 months old, basing anything opinion of such a short time is ignorant.  No one with any common sense will base any opinion on the launch window releases.  We dont even know what half of sce ws is up to.

8 months old with an E3 under its belt.  Japan has had its doors opened and they aren't buying it.  You would think if they had something in the pipeline they would show it off by now.  

lol yahh its called FF15 MGS5 Bloodborne GT7.

basing anything of a small quickly become irrlevent marlet, LMAO.


Those are americanized franchises.  And yes they are becoming an irrelevant market, which is where part of my foresight is coming from.  If Japan isn't buying the console, they aren't buying the games, if they aren't buying the games, why make games for Japan at all.  That's why the PS3 had such a good Japanese library, but if the PS4 isn't selling, why bother.  Those games often don't even turn a profit in America afterall.  

Now if Japan is no good, then what markets are?  Europe and America.  And what do those markets want? FPS and Sports games.  



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DarkD said:
BeElite said:
DarkD said:
BeElite said:

PS4 is 8 months old, basing anything opinion of such a short time is ignorant.  No one with any common sense will base any opinion on the launch window releases.  We dont even know what half of sce ws is up to.

8 months old with an E3 under its belt.  Japan has had its doors opened and they aren't buying it.  You would think if they had something in the pipeline they would show it off by now.  

lol yahh its called FF15 MGS5 Bloodborne GT7.

basing anything of a small quickly become irrlevent marlet, LMAO.


Those are americanized franchises.  And yes they are becoming an irrelevant market, which is where part of my foresight is coming from.  If Japan isn't buying the console, they aren't buying the games, if they aren't buying the games, why make games for Japan at all.  That's why the PS3 had such a good Japanese library, but if the PS4 isn't selling, why bother.  Those games often don't even turn a profit in America afterall.  

Now if Japan is no good, then what markets are?  Europe and America.  And what do those markets want? FPS and Sports games.  


Might take a look at what some games are selling before you make generalizations.  Europes taste for games is probably the most diverse anywhere, its not phobic Japan or fps Murica.



BeElite said:

Might take a look at what some games are selling before you make generalizations.  Europes taste for games is probably the most diverse anywhere, its not phobic Japan or fps Murica.


Europe doesn't have any bias when it comes to gaming true, but they won't care that much if those games aren't made.  A good portion of those games were made specifically for the Japanese audience, and they just happen to sell decently in Europe.  Those games won't get made for the PS4 because Europe will accept the american games.  



DarkD said:
BeElite said:

Might take a look at what some games are selling before you make generalizations.  Europes taste for games is probably the most diverse anywhere, its not phobic Japan or fps Murica.


Europe doesn't have any bias when it comes to gaming true, but they won't care that much if those games aren't made.  A good portion of those games were made specifically for the Japanese audience, and they just happen to sell decently in Europe.  Those games won't get made for the PS4 because Europe will accept the american games.  

Is japan making the witcher? Dragons age, Mass effect, Lord of the Fallen ???

what games does japan really make that none others can make ?



BeElite said:


Might take a look at what some games are selling before you make generalizations.  Europes taste for games is probably the most diverse anywhere, its not phobic Japan or fps Murica.


I disagree. Europe is Sony territory. America is where all three consoles seem to do be doing good.



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There isn't really a need for more than 1 console if they are all essentially exactly the same, playing the same type of games, with the same type of controller.

Would you buy a Blu-Ray that played all 3rd party movies, and Sony movies, but no Nintendo or Microsoft movies... and then the HD-DVD player to play the Microsoft movies and most 3rd party movies, and then well, Nintendo machine for just Nintendo movies that didn't play any of the 3rd party movies?

That's essentially what people do in the console space.

The reason Nintendo is less successful isn't because they don't have good movies of their own, its because they don't have the bulk of the blockbuster 3rd party movies. Also, more than not, they lack in technology, so while Sony and MS get the Blu-Ray quality movie from 3rd party, Nintendo is still on VHS or maybe DVD quality.



cusman said:

There isn't really a need for more than 1 console if they are all essentially exactly the same, playing the same type of games, with the same type of controller.

Would you buy a Blu-Ray that played all 3rd party movies, and Sony movies, but no Nintendo or Microsoft movies... and then the HD-DVD player to play the Microsoft movies and most 3rd party movies, and then well, Nintendo machine for just Nintendo movies that didn't play any of the 3rd party movies?

That's essentially what people do in the console space.

The reason Nintendo is less successful isn't because they don't have good movies of their own, its because they don't have the bulk of the blockbuster 3rd party movies. Also, more than not, they lack in technology, so while Sony and MS get the Blu-Ray quality movie from 3rd party, Nintendo is still on VHS or maybe DVD quality.


That was a really unnecessary comparison.lol



phaedruss said:

I mean really there isn't anything special about Nintendo hardware, it's not like there are magical fairies in there or something. Nintendo games would be nintendo games on any platform. Do I think they'll leave the console business I don't know, I think it might be better for them if they did, but maybe this unified OS/architecture thing will do really well.

There isn't anything special about the other systems either.... Just like to point that out. 



Soundwave said:

 

Generally speaking I think this is a big part of Nintendo's problem too. There just isn't a need/or a desire from the general audience (outside of Nintendo fans) for three consoles in the industry. 

Never really has been. You had the Turbo Grafx 16 for example that was the odd man out in the 16-bit "wars". The Saturn and Dreamcast that Sega tried to desperately shoe in into the business. Then the GameCube. Consistently speaking the "third wheel" console just never works, even if it is a pretty good system. The Dreamcast wasn't terrible, neither was the GameCube either really. 

By and large I think the audience just wants one main platform that has all the majority content that they want. No fuss. But you want to have one decent competitior to keep that lead console maker honest with competetion. 

There just isn't a need for a third. The moment Microsoft came into the business and decided to hang around, is the moment the console business became too crowded for Nintendo. 

Now of course yes, the exception to the rule is the last console cycle where the Wii was able to break out as a blockbuster hit. But it was so different from the other consoles and had such a wide open path in its early years with no competetion for casual gaming. That and it's very difficult to "repeat" one genius idea like the Wiimote, it isn't repeatable, it's catching lightning in a bottle. 

Even with that cycle, really the PS3/360/Wii all selling well maybe only happened for about 2-3 years tops, because the PS3 was anemic it's first two years or so, and Wii was weaker later in its life cycle too. If Microsoft would get out of the business (they don't even need it, which is kind of the frustrating part), then Nintendo would be in a much better position. 

But generally speaking in the game business there's only 2 fairly viable game systems at one time, and even there usually one is notably the "alpha" console compared to the other one. 


BAHAHAHAHAHA, gaming without Nintendo would be like breathing without air.

Wow... I wish I could slap you in the forehead for you.



BeElite said:

Innovation like cartriges on n64 that cost them most 3rd party support, guess its greed over innovation.  Or a tablet controller in a vain attempt to jump on the tablet badwagon to drive sales through a gimmick.  High budget games really, arent nintendo fans the biggest aaa haters around.

So you prefered the 32 bit PS1 graphics over the 64 bit N64 graphics? You prefer the terrible load times to the almost non existant load times of cartridges? You prefer the cost of buying memory cards to save data as opposed to saving to the cartridge itself? You think the ability to add expansion chips to the cartridges to increase the performance of a video game is a bad thing? Do you think the Rumble Pack done nothing for the video game industry? 

What did CD games bring to the table. FMV?  Though what we can give the PS1's sound playback was better than N64's ability, and storage space was bigger meaning bigger Worlds COULD be created (although often not). 

It's not that I'm not saying cds weren't innovative, but the PS1 was not better than the N64 in hardly any way. Also, cartradges cost more to make which meant LESS of a profit with every game sold. Guess the whole greed argument doesn't really hold up. 

Tablet bandwagon, lol. Off TV console quality games, local two player non split screen, off TV HUD for games all with absolutely no lag time. Yeah, they were going for a "tablet experience", lol Christ. 

Also no, Nintendo fans aren't haters of big budget games, we're haters of bad ports with bad game performance and missing content. I know there is few and far in between games that don't fall into this catagory that still sell like crap (though I buy them), Nintendo fans seem to distrust 3rd party devs and as explained earlier with good reason.