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Tech demo 2011 382 29.09%
 
E3 2014 928 70.68%
 
Total:1,310
phaedruss on 03 July 2014
curl-6 said:
phaedruss said:
curl-6 said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Note how the monster's energy blast made a fire behind the horse, and said fire has created a light source which the textures of the horse's ass is responding too.  In this photo the sun is the primary light source and is located to the left, but blends with the fire to the right as we examine the horse ass and rear legs.  If you want to really check out lighting and texture detail, see how the red ambers impact Link's blue tuinc, but you really have to look closely for those ones :)

It has dynamic lighting, it just doesn't have the complexity of light reacting across surface materials present in the tech demo, because again, the tech demo was able to focus Wii U's rendering power on two characters models (albiet one of them huge) in a hall, while the game itself, being open world, has to distribute that same amount of power over a much larger area, which means less power for each individual asset.

Obviously, which is why the real game is much more impressive.

I'd disagree, the tech demo's less sprawling setting allows it lighting, textures, and character models beyond anything we've seen for the system to date.

I think the only thing that is better might be the lighting, that's it. The character models in the tech demo aren't that impressive really nor are the textures.



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curl-6 on 03 July 2014
phaedruss said:

I think the only thing that is better might be the lighting, that's it. The character models in the tech demo aren't that impressive really nor are the textures.

They have a level of nuance to their surfacing (cloth, shiny armour, etc) far beyond the simpler cel shading of the trailer.



phaedruss on 03 July 2014
curl-6 said:
phaedruss said:

I think the only thing that is better might be the lighting, that's it. The character models in the tech demo aren't that impressive really nor are the textures.

They have a level of nuance to their surfacing (cloth, shiny armour, etc) far beyond the simpler cel shading of the trailer.


I don't think the trailer is all cel shading actually. It seems to be a few different things going on.



curl-6 on 03 July 2014
phaedruss said:
curl-6 said:
phaedruss said:

I think the only thing that is better might be the lighting, that's it. The character models in the tech demo aren't that impressive really nor are the textures.

They have a level of nuance to their surfacing (cloth, shiny armour, etc) far beyond the simpler cel shading of the trailer.


I don't think the trailer is all cel shading actually. It seems to be a few different things going on.

True, but Link and the horse are definitely cel shaded.



phaedruss on 03 July 2014

 

curl-6 said:
 

True, but Link and the horse are definitely cel shaded.


What is this exactly? I don't see it as much more impressive than the trailer link. Maybe a little, but I don't think his clothes are that many polygons, etc.

 

Oh and as far as Link and horse being cel shaded they are, but a more modern version of it that they used in Wind Waker HD that gives them more of a 3D look. Not sure what the difference is between Wind Waker on the Gamecube and Wind Waker HD, but the enemies and character models are definitely much improved.

 

Edit: NVM on that last part lol.



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curl-6 on 03 July 2014
phaedruss said:

 

curl-6 said:
 

True, but Link and the horse are definitely cel shaded.


What is this exactly? I don't see it as much more impressive than the trailer link. Maybe a little, but I don't think his clothes are that many polygons, etc.

That's a very compressed pic, but basically the normal map and cloth shader for his tunic  are a lot more detailed and nuanced than the simpler cel shaded tunic on the trailer, for example.



phaedruss on 03 July 2014
curl-6 said:
phaedruss said:

 

curl-6 said:
 

True, but Link and the horse are definitely cel shaded.


What is this exactly? I don't see it as much more impressive than the trailer link. Maybe a little, but I don't think his clothes are that many polygons, etc.

That's a very compressed pic, but basically the normal map and cloth shader for his tunic  are a lot more detailed and nuanced than the simpler cel shaded tunic on the trailer, for example.


It all looks very flat IMO. It's actually kind of cartoony in its own way lol.



curl-6 on 03 July 2014
phaedruss said:

It all looks very flat IMO. It's actually kind of cartoony in its own way lol.

Oh its definitely a bit cartoony in its own way. But a normal + diffuse mapped cloth is more taxing graphically than a cel shaded one.



fatslob-:O on 03 July 2014

Here's my take on the whole tech demo vs game technical prowess thing ...

Tech Demo: 

- Has Realtime Local Reflections for glossy surfaces such as the floor 

- Materials react to light more grounded to reality and it appears to be using a blinn-phong shading model

- Has higher resolution textures 

- Higher detailed environments

Game: 

- Bigger environments 

I don't think either of them are impressive technically speaking but if I had to pick the tech demo was simply better on the technical front and it was simply nice to see the WII U being capable of realtime local reflections and this is coming from a PC gamer so to speak ... 



Arius Dion on 03 July 2014
phaedruss said:
Arius Dion said:
Technicality isn't important. I just have one question; Looking at the data, with Wii U struggling greatly, with Zelda in decline, if you were in charge of the franchise, which direction would you have taken? Artstyle alone, looking at the data.


This one haha. It's cartoony and somewhat realistic.


So you'd rather follow SS's direction. This series is doomed, lol.



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