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1. It's not limited time, as far as I've ever heard. I couldn't imagine Nintendo NOT keeping that bundle going at least through the end of this year.

2. Yeah, nobody want "2d game like that", that's why that 2D game has sold over 4 million copies on a console with a "low install base". That is over half of that install base, by the way.

3. I think long-term, you will be able to point to MK8 as having helped to save the Wii U. NO single game was ever going to do it, and people expecting such (with each fucking release of Pikmin, Mario, DK, etc.), were just being naive and ignorant. But MK8 did what it needed to do, it gave a much needed shot in the arm to the system, and helped raise it's profile considerably. Long term, I think the legs of both MK8 the game, and it's help in boosting system sales, will be significant.



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Max King of the Wild said:
By the way, here's Oxfords definition

A person who pretends to give an impartial endorsement of something in which they themselves have an interest.

Should we bring up Reggie's statements comparing Nintendo, Ms and Sony systems acting impartial? I assume we can agree he has an interest in the system.

Like it or not Reggie = shill

Fascinating. You prove yourself to be wrong with your own reference, yet are so pathologically incapable of admitting that you were incorrect that you ignore all common sense and logical structure to avoid having to face reality. This skill should serve you well as you progress through life...

 

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Max King of the Wild said:
And just to ice the cake... Dictionary.com

a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty

I think employment qualifies as self interest and personal profit.

Reggie = shill

Yes, and by that definition, so is every public head/face of every company on the face of the Earth. That doesn't, however, mean that Reggie can't, as part of his job, be trying to sell you something, but also genuinely like/care about the products he's selling you at the same time. That is not unheard of in the business world, not by a longshot, and just because Reggie is, as you claim, a "shill", because he wants you to buy the product that he represents, doesn't imply that he automatically also doesn't actually like video games. By all indications, he does, and even though he's absolutely a corporate PR man, you can still tell/see on his face that he gets genuinely excited/enthusistic when talking about some of these games.

So what was your point again, exactly? Merely curious.



DevilRising said:
Max King of the Wild said:
And just to ice the cake... Dictionary.com

a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty

I think employment qualifies as self interest and personal profit.

Reggie = shill

Yes, and by that definition, so is every public head/face of every company on the face of the Earth. That doesn't, however, mean that Reggie can't, as part of his job, be trying to sell you something, but also genuinely like/care about the products he's selling you at the same time. That is not unheard of in the business world, not by a longshot, and just because Reggie is, as you claim, a "shill", because he wants you to buy the product that he represents, doesn't imply that he automatically also doesn't actually like video games. By all indications, he does, and even though he's absolutely a corporate PR man, you can still tell/see on his face that he gets genuinely excited/enthusistic when talking about some of these games.

So what was your point again, exactly? Merely curious.


I agree, so if you called Shu a shill I wouldn't try to argue he wasn't.



impertinence said:
Max King of the Wild said:
By the way, here's Oxfords definition

A person who pretends to give an impartial endorsement of something in which they themselves have an interest.

Should we bring up Reggie's statements comparing Nintendo, Ms and Sony systems acting impartial? I assume we can agree he has an interest in the system.

Like it or not Reggie = shill

Fascinating. You prove yourself to be wrong with your own reference, yet are so pathologically incapable of admitting that you were incorrect that you ignore all common sense and logical structure to avoid having to face reality. This skill should serve you well as you progress through life...


Logical fallacies...  A sign of a failed attempt at an argument. 

 

The three definitions I provided (two of which are the most credible for dictionaries) made no distinction of a public representative of the company and like you claimed "a neutral observer" or "unbiased customer" for a shill. What you gave in those were examples. Not definitions. The only difference between one and the other is we can just easily identify one as a shill over the others. You were wrong when you tried to jump on my nuts. Just apologize already 



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padib said:
DerNebel said:

You might want to take a look at the best selling PS2 games and realize that almost all the top selling franchises from back then were still present and very big on PS3 and will also still be present on PS4, the majority of the PS2 audience was the same as the PS3/360 and will be the same on the PS4 and it's is absolutely the audience you want to have as game console manufacturer, get those people on board and think about the smaller groups later.

And sales in that market are really not stagnating at all

No, the games that made the PS2 great might still be on PS3/4 but they are not selling anything like they were before Sly R&C and Co.

Those are not the games that made the PS2 big.



they need price cut.
A 200$ wii sports club bundle.



I think this is silly in my opinion. No single game saves a console, it drives them. Mario Kart 8 drove Wii U into fantastic sales, but no sales hang on forever which is why more games like Zelda, Smash Bros and even new IP's are there to make sure more games drive them sales up.

We sold out in so many stores, but it doesn't mean it's not available. A lot of stores in the UK are already stocking up again. End of May and June have probably been a fantastic 2 moinths for them, but obviously they will have to make sure they have more good months. Still in the market, stilling outselling other consoles and they aren't leaving any time soon. No games saves a console.



think-man said:
Mk8 was never going to save the WiiU. A single game can't "save" a system. It can give it a bump in sales but that's about it.

Not strictly true, Pokemon saved Gameboy? But that was a new franchise which because a phenomenon. MK8 is a sequel, people know what they're getting. So you're right.




 

Seece said:
think-man said:
Mk8 was never going to save the WiiU. A single game can't "save" a system. It can give it a bump in sales but that's about it.

Not strictly true, Pokemon saved Gameboy? But that was a new franchise which because a phenomenon. MK8 is a sequel, people know what they're getting. So you're right.


you forgot halo that helped sell the xbox 



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