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Ucell on 09 June 2014
guiduc said:
That doesn't stop Watch Dogs from being an average game, boost or not.

Your'e sayng that because it outsold MK8. Bias is pretty obvious in this one.



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Ucell on 09 June 2014

I don't see how anyone can say X1 has more exclusives than PS4 atm. X1 only has Forza 5 and Ryse while PS4 has KZ: SF, ISS and Knack.



dane007 on 09 June 2014
SWORDF1SH said:
dane007 said:
Scisca said:
dane007 said:

max is still MS xbox one console exclsives. i did say i  have personal bias towards indies as to me indeis games are not real games . he asked for big MS exlcusive and i considered Max to be a big platformer exclusive to xbox one.  The game i s also available on 360.   If you count Indies along with AAA exclusives then yea ps4 wins but if you just count AAA first party exclusivess,, then atm in my opinion xbox one is in th eleas. that may change in the futre when more games come out. 


You know what your problem is? You don't take into account that all the exclusive games released thus far on XO or PS4 are worth shit and people know it. Yeah, that is the truth. These games are shit (Titanfall? Seriously?) and will be seen as such in two years time. Not a single one of them will be looked upon as a great game in a year or two. Wii U is the only console with good exclusives that will still be considered great, but then again - it's older and already has tier 2 games and not such launch window games. Still, why doesn't it matter at all? Let's say that XO has a slight edge over PS4 in exclusives department right now (though IMO ISS is the best exculsive thus far, but I'm a sucker for such TPP games). Why doesn't it matter? Cause you don't buy a console for what it's got for launch, but for years to come! And what future is there in store for our consoles? Let's break it down.

Wii U - awesome but extreemely scarce 1st party games, and next to no 3rd party games, which will be watered down either way;

XO - a few good 1st party games, multiplats noticably inferior to the PS4 versions;

PS4 - 1st party games better than XO's (there are generations of track record that make this a certainty, MS can't touch Sony's first party offering in the long run), the best versions of multiplat games, it will get all the Japanese games that won't even come close to XO;

Now do you start to understand? People don't buy consoles only to play what's already out. We buy them to play the stuff that's coming and the future is the brightest for PS4, there is no chance that XO or Wii U can suddenly change that. The mistakes made by N and MS in the desing phase will haunt them till the end of this gen, on the other Sony will reap the benefits of designing a flawless console.

You may prefer playing WD on XO - fine, but I would never buy it on XO, when on PS4 I get a better looking game and extra content. To me it's obvious and I bet most people prefer to get the most out of their purchases - PS4 allows us to get just that. Buying a game on XO you know you are getting less than you get if you choose the box with a blue logo. That matters and this won't change in the future. Anyone who wants to get the most out of their money chooses PS4.

I would glady take Titanfall over KZ  . i got both and the smoothness you get with titanfall make it hard to go back to kz in my opinion. KZ game is still fun to play in terms of single player campaign. Well based on what games was available at launch ,, i chose and bought XO first before i got PS4.  For me future doesn't matter as i get all eventually. but i know for most budget gamers ,, they would pick a console with games that like or games that htey know will come to a specific consoles. 
Can't comment on WII U as i haven't purchased it yet.  Thats opinion and great that you prefer sony first party exclusives over XO.  I prefer  Xo exclusives more but both have good exclusives like ISS which for me is the best first Party AAA on ps4  . XO will get japanese games much like 360 did. X360 did get japanese games that ps3 didn't get either and both had japanese games that came on both platforms. so don't know what you are talking about.  they were recent news of XO getting three japanese exclusives and one to be announced in the upcoming E3. WD looks similar on oth consoles. Even DF did the analysis.  me an my brother got copies of the game and they look identical.( i got XO and he got PS4) The only difference is the small resolution boost, slightly  more screen tearing on XO which rarely happens.  Apart from that its identical. don't know where you get the better lookin game ,, unless you are talking about resolution?  Sure there are gamers who would pick ps4 version purely on those tiny difference which is fine by me.

"Anyone who wants to get the most out of their money chooses PS4." Again thats your opinion not fact. 

Dane! Dane! Dane! I've been following your comments and with each comment I think "WTF are you talking about".

OK we get it, you love your X1. But come on man. You try to list exclusive games as fact but when somebody challenges you, you revert back to opinion by saying things like "But I don't like KZ as much as TF", "But I don't like Indies".

What is it to be? Are you going to state opinions or facts? Stop stating you like every game released on X1 but don't want to recognise PS4 games because "you don't like them"

Talking about facts, Dead Rising 3 isn't a 1st party exclusive, Titanfall isn't a 1st party exclusive, Ryse isn't a 1st party exclusive. They are all made by 3rd party developers. And out of all those MS only own the Ryse IP which btw isn't a AAA game. Maybe a AAA budget but not a AAA game, Metacritic proves that.

Then you go on about E3, like MS is going to have the Mega Awesome E3 and Sony is just going to stand there and do nothing with their chins hitting the floor in awe of MS. Their Not!

And what is it about Indies you do not like? Some of the best games are Indie. Why should you not include all the indies coming to the PS4 just because you don't like them???

Talking about future, MS will have to sell alot more console to aquire and support studios because at this rate they are heading for a smaller console base than last gen which will mean downsizing. MS, despite what a lot of people think, aren't prepared to throw money at something unless they get profit back for the future. Right now they will have to seriously think what their next steps are.

Sony will produce a steady steam of exclusives. KZ and I:SS already out. Driveclub and The Order in the near future and Naughty Dog have Uncharted 4 and a second project to announce. Plus GG are working on an open world game. Santa Monica also have to make their move, maybe GOW4. And lets not forget that Media Molecule are working on something.

So you see this is what people are trying to tell you, the facts. Sony have games OUT NOW, they HAVE the better multiplats, they HAVE a diverse range of indies, F2P, multiplats and Exclusives. EVEN IF you don't like them, that's your OPINION. Sony have a lot of AAA "budget" games coming. 

These isn't to say MS don't have games coming because they do. Quantum Break looks good and even though I'm not keen on GoW or Halo I can recognise those as huge games. Massive infact.

i admitted i made mistake when listing exclusives when i included Max curse brotherhood. forgot it was indie. i did correct myself there. I don't count indies as proper games which seems to be the dominant amount on the ps4 .  I did acknowledge ps4 games. i  did say i enjoyed ISS as that was the last big blockbuster game i played that was exclusive to PS4. i just have personal preference when came to Titanfall and KZ. i enjoyed KZ which i stated in the quote tree but if i had a choice,, i would gladly pick Titanfall over KZ  due to how smooth the movement and shooting feels in titanfall. Theres nothing wrong with that.

In that case based on your logic both KZ SF and knack  are not  AAA game based on metecritic despite having a  AAA budget . Both games on Metacritic are in the yellow zone . Firstly  about E3, i am basing it on what phil said . he said that they have jam packed e3 and that  he can't show everythign and that  announcements will made pre E3 and post E3 which he has done based on the recent reveals from MS. Whether or not MS will have megaton E3 , well thats left to be seen and we will all see in 5 hours time. I am sure sony will have decent E3 but based on the games they will show on E3 looks disappointing. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-announces-e3-schedule-will-have-70-games-at-its-booth/1100-6420159/ its mostly indies or multiplats .  hope the reveals on stage will be awesome.

 

you forgot to add knack in there as its already out based onwhat we know  the ones coming out this year is just MLB and driveclub. Its easy to name gams that don't even have release date . i can do that with MS ones as well. Same goes with Xbox. they would also have steady stream of exclusives coming out.  So far we have quantum theory, sunset overdrive, halo5 in the future, the rumored halo ultimate pack , D3 , the 3 japanese games and the one to be revealed at E3, you have blac tusk doing gears game, you have lionhead with the new fable, Crytek will for sure be making the next ryse game in the future, i am sure rare would another ip as well and the rumored third party exclusive which is yet to be announced that MS acquired( the rumor that has been going on).See i can do the same with MS games.  thats a fact.  I said in my opinion i disagree because to me indies are not proper games and in terms of exclusives that are out now,, there aren't many  especially on AAA exclusives. Sony would win by default based on just the amount of indies. remember PS4 has been given the name indiestation. i didn't make this name up. its out there on the internet if you don't beleive me. Theres  difference between coming in few years time and coming this year .  This year alone apart from ISS  theres nothing on AAA side that i wanted to get. was looking foward to teh order but that got delayed till 2015 . might give driveclub a try since its free on psn plus. i expected more from sony this gen which for me hs been proven to be disappointing, 

 

I just indies in general. not my type of games. for me it provides very littl replay valu and often they are broign to play and last 2-4 hours with a exception of few indies that do last beyond that.  Some of these indies are not cheap to buy especially if you live in NZ. the psn prices are ridiculous . I have seen some cost half a price of full priced game. Don't take it personal,, i am just biased towards it. If it wasn't for them being free on ps4 psn plus program,, i would have never bought them. To be fair  i did enjoy some,, such as braid, limbo, outlast and trine 2. those were cool indie games.

 

PS : PS2 had a install base close to 160 million whereas PS3 had an install base of 82 million. Thats at least 40 % decrease in install base. i don't beleive Xbox one one would lose tha much in install base. 



dane007 on 09 June 2014
Ucell said:
I don't see how anyone can say X1 has more exclusives than PS4 atm. X1 only has Forza 5 and Ryse while PS4 has KZ: SF, ISS and Knack.


you are forgetting killer instinct and titanfall( console exclusive)



Ucell on 09 June 2014
dane007 said:
Ucell said:
I don't see how anyone can say X1 has more exclusives than PS4 atm. X1 only has Forza 5 and Ryse while PS4 has KZ: SF, ISS and Knack.


you are forgetting killer instinct and titanfall( console exclusive)

KI isn't a retail game and TF can be played on a 360.

But if you wish to include them might as well include Warframe, DCUO, Blacklight: Retribution and FF XIV: ARR in the PS4 exclusives list.



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dane007 on 09 June 2014
Ucell said:
dane007 said:
Ucell said:
I don't see how anyone can say X1 has more exclusives than PS4 atm. X1 only has Forza 5 and Ryse while PS4 has KZ: SF, ISS and Knack.


you are forgetting killer instinct and titanfall( console exclusive)

KI isn't a retail game and TF can be played on a 360.

But if you wish to include them might as well include Warframe, DCUO, Blacklight: Retribution and FF XIV: ARR in the PS4 exclusives list.


Titanfall is a console exclusive to MS console so it counts. KI is not an indie game .. its a full price exclusive fighter on xbox one  taht is sold digitally. Well i think it was nickle who said this. Apology in advance if i get the user name wrong. But i was told that any game released on steam will be available on steam console which is a console which will get all games in the steam library. In your case the games you have mentioned are all available on steam therefore not exclusive to sony consoles. I was going to put DR3 but that game is comng out on steam and was told that it doesn't as an exclusive anymore.



mornelithe on 09 June 2014
dane007 said:
Ucell said:
I don't see how anyone can say X1 has more exclusives than PS4 atm. X1 only has Forza 5 and Ryse while PS4 has KZ: SF, ISS and Knack.


you are forgetting killer instinct and titanfall( console exclusive)

Isn't exclusive then, now is it? And before you say it, I have a gaming PC, so no, it doesn't count.



Conina on 09 June 2014
dane007 said:
Ucell said:

KI isn't a retail game and TF can be played on a 360.

But if you wish to include them might as well include Warframe, DCUO, Blacklight: Retribution and FF XIV: ARR in the PS4 exclusives list.


Titanfall is a console exclusive to MS console so it counts. KI is not an indie game .. its a full price exclusive fighter on xbox one  taht is sold digitally. Well i think it was nickle who said this. Apology in advance if i get the user name wrong. But i was told that any game released on steam will be available on steam console which is a console which will get all games in the steam library. In your case the games you have mentioned are all available on steam therefore not exclusive to sony consoles. I was going to put DR3 but that game is comng out on steam and was told that it doesn't as an exclusive anymore.

"It's exclusive" - "No, it's not."

"Because of the PC-version? Okay, it's console-exclusive." - "No, it's not."

"Because of the 360-version? Okay, it's 'console-exclusive to MS consoles'."

Do you know how weak and desperate that kind of exclusivity sounds?



BreedinBull on 09 June 2014

Where's that mod that goes batshit over quote trees? WE NEEEEDDDD YOOOUUUUU !!!! :(



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diosamma on 09 June 2014

Is it not clear yet that people who buy MS only care about Gears of War, Halo & Call of Duty? Ok, now apparently a little bit about Titanfall.

I wonder how MS will spin the Watch_Dogs sales numbers. They'll probably just pretend it didn't happen.