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naruball on 03 June 2014
Richard_Feynman said:


(1)"Are you simply going to ignore all the good games that have been released and didn't sell well? Quality does not equal sales. This has been discussed to death."

Name them. Go on - I dare you

 "Also, in terms of qualiy, Watch_Dogs has not received amazing reviews. "

Did you see me underline good? The WHOLE point is they DON'T have to be amazing to sell well.

"How can the people who bought it have known that it would be a good game? "

Two things: 1. Anyone with a little bit of sense knew it would (at the least) be good. 2. It wasn't that incredible yet it got those sales.

"Infamous is as good of a game as Watch_Dogs according to reviewers (meta) and users (average scores). Yet it sells less"

inFamous was on ONE platform. By how much is WD outselling it on PS4?

"Watch_Dogs was hyped since it was shown"

So what? Here's my point (which you obviously seem to have lost track of): Hey Mr. Publisher, if you made a good game for mid 2014 and gave it some publicity then chances are it would have made you a little richer.

"Ask Ninty fans and Pikmin 3 or Wonderful 101. Great games, yet disappointing sales despite the long droughts. "

Ignoring the fact that I am very, very well aware of those cases which is why I said X1/PS4. Not to mention that Wii U is failing. Or that Pikmin hardly has a huge fanbase. Or that Wonderful 101 (however good it may be) launched with a small user base and was yet another (aesthetically) kiddy game on Nintendo hardware. And how much advertisement did W101 get?

Now try and twist my words any way you like, but I proclaim that every single one of your comments have been nonsensical from the outset... EDIT: Ok maybe the last bit was too much.

"I dare you"? Seriously? What is this? kindergarten? You have all my respect, so do not quote me ever again. I refuse to waste my time replying to someone who uses flamebait comments. I will not reply in kind. 

I don't want to derail this thread, so this is my last comment: well done, Ubisoft! Here's hoping Ninty is inspired and comes up with another lengedary series. 



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Richard_Feynman on 03 June 2014
naruball said:

"I dare you"? Seriously? What is this? kindergarten? You have all my respect, so do not quote me ever again. I refuse to waste my time replying to someone who uses flamebait comments. I will not reply in kind. 

I don't want to derail this thread, so this is my last comment: well done, Ubisoft! Here's hoping Ninty is inspired and comes up with another lengedary series. 


It's fine if you don't post again. 

But the fact is you can't name any good games that release mid 2014 on PS4/X1 and sell terribly because there are none. 



Burek on 03 June 2014
outlawauron said:
bananaking21 said:
outlawauron said:

Then they would have announced meeting their FY expectations with their FW shipment. Your assuming on zero actual information.

i dont understand whats the problem here, they state sell-through right there in the first sentance, which means sold to consumers. its right there, this is sold and not shipped. 

Sold through is intentionally vague. Publishers sell things to retailers, not to you. Retailers are their consumers. Once it's shippped to a store, it's a sold copy as far as their concern (unless there is a explicit contract regarding unsold stock made beforehand, that wouldn't be the case for a huge game like watch_dogs).

I guess you chose to ignore what I wrote when responding to you some 6 hours ago, so I won't repeat it, as you obviously just feel the need to write nonsense in order to downplay this game's success.

There is nothing vague in sell through, it is the number sold to consumers, not to stores. 

But of course, you will choose not to read this, so why do I bother?



Kasz216 on 03 June 2014
Burek said:
outlawauron said:
bananaking21 said:
outlawauron said:

Then they would have announced meeting their FY expectations with their FW shipment. Your assuming on zero actual information.

i dont understand whats the problem here, they state sell-through right there in the first sentance, which means sold to consumers. its right there, this is sold and not shipped. 

Sold through is intentionally vague. Publishers sell things to retailers, not to you. Retailers are their consumers. Once it's shippped to a store, it's a sold copy as far as their concern (unless there is a explicit contract regarding unsold stock made beforehand, that wouldn't be the case for a huge game like watch_dogs).

I guess you chose to ignore what I wrote when responding to you some 6 hours ago, so I won't repeat it, as you obviously just feel the need to write nonsense in order to downplay this game's success.

There is nothing vague in sell through, it is the number sold to consumers, not to stores. 

But of course, you will choose not to read this, so why do I bother?


Eh, until about Mid PS3 era, Sony considered Sold through as sold to consumers as i recall.



outlawauron on 03 June 2014
Burek said:
outlawauron said:

Sold through is intentionally vague. Publishers sell things to retailers, not to you. Retailers are their consumers. Once it's shippped to a store, it's a sold copy as far as their concern (unless there is a explicit contract regarding unsold stock made beforehand, that wouldn't be the case for a huge game like watch_dogs).

I guess you chose to ignore what I wrote when responding to you some 6 hours ago, so I won't repeat it, as you obviously just feel the need to write nonsense in order to downplay this game's success.

There is nothing vague in sell through, it is the number sold to consumers, not to stores. 

But of course, you will choose not to read this, so why do I bother?

Sold through doesn't necessarily mean that. There's no point in discussing it because it's all assumption. I believe publishers define their customers differently than what we do. It's a PR speak meant to paint the most positive light on it.

Maybe I should stop, I have been told I'm a Nintendo fanboy who likes to downplay Sony and MS.

@ Kasz

Sony shifted from shipped to warehouses to shipped to retailers a little bit into the PS3 era. The verbage never really changed.



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Kasz216 on 03 June 2014
outlawauron said:
Burek said:
outlawauron said:

Sold through is intentionally vague. Publishers sell things to retailers, not to you. Retailers are their consumers. Once it's shippped to a store, it's a sold copy as far as their concern (unless there is a explicit contract regarding unsold stock made beforehand, that wouldn't be the case for a huge game like watch_dogs).

I guess you chose to ignore what I wrote when responding to you some 6 hours ago, so I won't repeat it, as you obviously just feel the need to write nonsense in order to downplay this game's success.

There is nothing vague in sell through, it is the number sold to consumers, not to stores. 

But of course, you will choose not to read this, so why do I bother?

Sold through doesn't necessarily mean that. There's no point in discussing it because it's all assumption. I believe publishers define their customers differently than what we do. It's a PR speak meant to paint the most positive light on it.

Maybe I should stop, I have been told I'm a Nintendo fanboy who likes to downplay Sony and MS.

@ Kasz

Sony shifted from shipped to warehouses to shipped to retailers a little bit into the PS3 era. The verbage never really changed.


yeah i remember that part, however, I thought that shipped to retailers was termed "Sellthrough to consumers" before it became shipped... and that shipped to consumers was termed something like "End Users Purchases" or something crazy like that.



Burek on 03 June 2014

EDIT: Forget it, 3rd time is not the charm. You're free to believe whatever you want. You're incorrect, but don't let me stop you from believing.



petroleo on 03 June 2014

thats cool but ain't buying it until a sale or something.



dark_gh0st_b0y on 03 June 2014

definitely looks like a game to look forward, but 4m first week!? O_O

what is insane, is that they produced and had 4m on shelves at launch for a new IP, very impressing



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outlawauron on 03 June 2014
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:

Sold through doesn't necessarily mean that. There's no point in discussing it because it's all assumption. I believe publishers define their customers differently than what we do. It's a PR speak meant to paint the most positive light on it.

Maybe I should stop, I have been told I'm a Nintendo fanboy who likes to downplay Sony and MS.

@ Kasz

Sony shifted from shipped to warehouses to shipped to retailers a little bit into the PS3 era. The verbage never really changed.


yeah i remember that part, however, I thought that shipped to retailers was termed "Sellthrough to consumers" before it became shipped... and that shipped to consumers was termed something like "End Users Purchases" or something crazy like that.

It's very rare that a publisher will explicitly say it's shipped numbers. Each one has their own spin on it. If publishers could accurately track sales numbers, they wouldn't pay NPD, chart track, etc. the amount of money they do every month.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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