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I think you guys are all over-reacting.

First off, this isn't replacing regular wifi, just another option should a game have downloadable content (GH4) or be MMO based. Nothing shocking or unusual here, you pay on MS and Sony service for downloadable content too. And MMOs are always some form of pay-to-play.

This is also probably key to their expansion in China/India and South America where you can bet 90% of games will be pirated. So to be profitable in those areas, you need to have pay-to-play games.



 

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naznatips said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Again, how is this different from PCs? Any PC gamers here? This is just like PC online gaming. Each developer decides whether or not you'll pay to play their game online. The only difference is you can pay with wiipoints, instead of paying each developer individually with a credit card.

This isn't even new. Games like Phantasy Star online, and Final Fantasy XI already did/do this.

People are freaking out over a complete non-issue.

Pardon my French Vagabond, but what the hell are you talking about? The only PC online services that charge anything are MMOs and Windows Live. PC online is and always will be 99% free. Now, if this is just for MMOs (which is what I think) then it will be like PCs, but random games aren't charged for.


Wait, you don't pay 50 dollars a month for Steam?

Uh oh.



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This means that MMOs are coming and i don't think MMO games would work with FCs so yay!

If that's not the case and they start charging other online games Nintendo lost a fan and just shot themselves!




Stever89 said:
Bodhesatva said:

Sounds appropriate to me.

Sony is killing themselves with this free online service (just in case people thought I was just being the Wii defense force, I've consistently defended XBL).

Here's the simplest way to put it: look at the profit margins on the Xbox and Playstation brands over the last 2-3 years; they are, collectively, billions upon billions of dollars in the hole. Without doing the math fully, they're likely 4-5 billion dollars in the red combined.

In short: you may think we're paying too much for video games, but it's quite clear that we aren't paying enough. This isn't sustainable. Microsoft and Sony in particular absolutely must find new ways to bring in more money, because the current model isn't enough.

While I don't think Nintendo needs to have a subscription online service, I think it's smart to do so for long term growth.

 

 

 

Now, here's a prediction I think most of you will like better: I predict this move was made specifically to accomodate an Animal Crossing MMO.


Heh, if that's the case, then they need to find a way to make games cheaper to make


They can do this -- make a system like the Wii. 

 

Buuuuut that doesn't seem to make most people happy. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be any magic fairy dust that will magically make games significantly cheaper to develop. Even the vaunted middleware, which probably is helping, can't bring costs back down to PS2 levels or even (I suspect) close to them. And what happens next generation? More middleware will need to be developed, which will cost more billions, all to bring costs to an even higher plateau than they're on now.

 



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ssj12 said:
naznatips said:
ssj12 said:
this probably will kill off 80% of any 3rd party online games. Why make charge customers for a poor service when XBL and the PSN are better.

SSJ this is a total bullshit post.

1) Clearly, this system won't even be in 80% of games, or it would already be in Mario Kart and Brawl.  It's obviously designed for special circumsatnces.

2) We don't know what services will be offered for these games.  

3) We don't even know if this is just a system reserved for MMOs or other games with extremely complex online systems or not.  


 I was meaning it as if they force it to be implemented into 3rd party games. Why would Nintendo charge customers for their own games? From what I can tell its either going to be either only MMOs... which we will only see two or three on any console anyways, or be used as the main network for third parties similar to XBL minus 1st party titles being effected. 

 


Let's hope this is only for MMO:s, since i don't play them. So, now Wiis online is on par with PS3:s, what it comes to charging from it. I'd guess it's pretty similar with PS3:s; it's free if you use Nintendos servers, but using publishers own gaming servers, they can charge you if they want to. So it's either game specific or publisher specific. Although, i don't count out the (1st party published) MMO:s.

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Bodhesatva said:

They can do this -- make a system like the Wii. 

Buuuuut that doesn't seem to make most people happy. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be any magic fairy dust that will magically make games significantly cheaper to develop. Even the vaunted middleware, which probably is helping, can't bring costs back down to PS2 levels or even (I suspect) close to them. And what happens next generation? More middleware will need to be developed, which will cost more billions, all to bring costs to an even higher plateau than they're on now. 


Well actually it does seem to make most people happy, judging by sales.  Just not most people on internet forums hehe.



OMFG TEH WIIZ IS DOOMED, UR ONLINE IS GHEY. @#%#%$$#%

Ummm as long as it's for MMO's and stuff thats fine and dandy :P Hell I wish they'd bring some MMO's to the PSN -_-; I'd pay the game producers monthly subscription for stuff like that.



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i really don't have a problem with pay to play actually. i mean really, servers aren't free nor is the upkeep. i actually like the idea that you only pay to play for the specific games you own/want to play online instead of xbl methodology cause i'm more of a single player kind of guy so i don't really use online pay enough to justify it.

obviously free is always preferable to costs money but i'm perfectly happy to pay for a service that is worth they money. my guess is that pay to play service will be at the choice of the developer. nintendo probably will have free online for all of their games and other developers probably won't use it unless they can really justify the online aspect to the consumer thus limiting it to MMOesque games.

...and just you watch...psn won't be free forever. servers cost a lot of money to buy and maintain.



naznatips said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Again, how is this different from PCs? Any PC gamers here? This is just like PC online gaming. Each developer decides whether or not you'll pay to play their game online. The only difference is you can pay with wiipoints, instead of paying each developer individually with a credit card.

This isn't even new. Games like Phantasy Star online, and Final Fantasy XI already did/do this.

People are freaking out over a complete non-issue.

Pardon my French Vagabond, but what the hell are you talking about? The only PC online services that charge anything are MMOs and Windows Live. PC online is and always will be 99% free. Now, if this is just for MMOs (which is what I think) then it will be like PCs, but random games aren't charged for.


Exactly. Odds are pretty much anything other than MMOs will still be free. You don't have to pay to play online for some random FPS, but if some company is putting alot of time and money into maintaining servers, they will probably charge for it. Not even all MMOs you have to pay to play online. Odds are 90% of wii games will be free to play online, but if somebody wants to make a game with a dedicated server, they should be able to charge for it. Nintendo is providing a way to do so. Sorry if I wasn't clearer in my point.



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Diomedes1976 said:
If its only for MMO then its ok .If its for many games it SUCKS big time .

For me the way for the future of online gaming is the current Sony model .Free online play ,pay for downloadable things and games ,totally lagfree ....and with the userbase pushing for them to refine slowly the service (XMB ingame ,Home ,Trophies ,etc ) .

So it seems. That's propably why Nintendo just copied it.

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