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What was Microsoft's bigger mistake?

The DRM fiasco 253 30.01%
 
Forced Kinect and $100 price difference 305 36.18%
 
It wouldn't have mattere... 152 18.03%
 
I like turtles 128 15.18%
 
Total:838
KingdomHeartsFan said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

I'd say the price difference is more important now, as I feel like the average joe woulda have forgotten about the drm thing by now. No real proof of that of course, just basing that on how a forum goer like me doesn't think about the drm stuff at all anymore when looking at the Xbox One nowadays.

EDIT: And yeah the PS4 was gonna win regardless.

That's probably because its gone.  That's like me saying I don't think about the boomerang controller when I look at the PS3.  


Not really as that's just a controller, whereas drm is a giant middle finger to us consumers.



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Einsam_Delphin said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

I'd say the price difference is more important now, as I feel like the average joe woulda have forgotten about the drm thing by now. No real proof of that of course, just basing that on how a forum goer like me doesn't think about the drm stuff at all anymore when looking at the Xbox One nowadays.

EDIT: And yeah the PS4 was gonna win regardless.

That's probably because its gone.  That's like me saying I don't think about the boomerang controller when I look at the PS3.  


Not really as that's just a controller, whereas drm is a giant middle finger to us consumers.

What do you mean just a controller?  A controller is one of the most important parts of a console and it got huge negative backlash just like the DRM policies.



I doubt this has anything to do with DRM, and all to do with the price and overall specs of the thing. The PS4, is a better deal in every single aspect.



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KingdomHeartsFan said:

What do you mean just a controller?  A controller is one of the most important parts of a console and it got huge negative backlash just like the DRM policies.

Well then I guess people could hold a grude for that too!



I never bought into the Kinect on the 360, I feel no need for it. I do agree, even after the pricing scheme of the 360, that the XB1 is too much, I also feel the same way for the PS4, but the PS4 is obviously the better deal, especially since it seems to have a better list of games and doesn't force a piece of extra hardware on you. Also, the PS4 seems to have the better hardware. Having said that, I have never owned a PS of any kind, always Nintendo thru the N64 (stopped there) and the OG Xbox and the 360. My primary platform has been PC going back to the late 1970s, although starting with the OG Xbox and the first few years of the 360, I really did most of my gaming on those two consoles. But, the past 4 or so years I have been back to my first love, PC.

I don't think this will killl the Xbox series, but I don't think it has a prayer to compete with the PS4 this gen, I mean the PS3 beat out the 360 in overall sales and it had a year later release than the 360. Still, considering the sales of the 360 and the PS3, I don't think either the PS4 or the XB1 will come close to the sales of its direct predecessors and the current sales numbers express that when looking back at relevant timeline sales of the 360 and PS3; but the XB1 is doing really bad in sales considering!! (<--- emphasis mine) Microsoft went to far into the DRM thing at the outset of the XB1's release as well as marketing too much to the content the XB1 offers, while somewhat forgoing that it is a gaming console and that's what most people who buy it will use it for, gaming.

If and when I decide to ever buy into this gen, it will probably be the XB1, but that will be more than likely when it comes down about $150 in price and there's a compelling list of games I'd like. Since I almost exclusively play RPGs, a genre that doesn't appeal to me much on consoles for the obvious reasons, it may never happen at all. But, if I want to get an XB1 according to my price range and if there's a decent game list, that won't probably happen until at least another two years from now; I'll see when that time comes.



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ICStats said:
DRM started it, but I think it's more about price & performance difference now.

Yep, this ^. Lower the price and remove kinect and I have no doubt the X1 will be beating PS4 week on week in the US. Still dont think it will change much for EU and the rest of the world. 



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Let me clarify what I mean when I say "better."The Xbox One is already underpowered compared to the PS4.Costing $100 more than the Ps4 is not contributing to being a more appealing console for gamers.Kinect was made to attract casual and Kinect has no good games.Why should they continue distributing systems with it?

 



Without the DRM stuff people would've accepted the price and Kinect much more readily. But since they were already pissed every little detail just pushed them further away. Don't forget there are still people who don't know that the 180 happened.



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I was a faithful X360 owner. It was my first console ever, and in 5 years amassed over 150.000 Gamerscore.
When they announced DRM policies, I was upset like most, but I would have accepted that deal in the end. (Because I've already decided to go digital download full-on.
But when they've announced a mandatory Kinect, that was the dealbreaker I could not swallow. I am one of those 24 million Kinect buyers, it was fun for a short time, but ended up in storage quickly, as I had no practical use for it. Even my young daughters got bored with it in a month or so.
That's why there was no chance I would have paid extra just to have half my purchase remain boxed in. And it's not even the price for me, it's the principle of things.
So as soon as E3 was over, I've preordered PS4 and never looked back. I've abandoned my gamerscore, sold off my X360 and over 100 games for chump change, and now I'm enjoying my new console, I am very pleased, and believe that very soon Microsoft console will just be a distant memory.
I even sold my Nokia WP which I bought while achievement whoring, and purchased an Android phone (also Sony, but that is a coincidence, it was simply a best-buy at the time).
Now I'm completely Microsoft-free, and I've never been happier. I will probably never buy another Microsoft product, and actually I won't be missing out on much.



I think it's a mixed of things. Sure the DRM and Pricing fiascos have hurt the Xbox One extraordinarily. But you also have to take into account what the last couple years has been like for the Hardcore Xbox owner. Microsoft spent the latter part of last gen focusing on the casual and kinect-friendly market.

While Sony has spent the better part of last gen repairing the damage they caused themselves when the PS3 launched. Sony had some awesome momentum given to them from games like The Last of Us coming into this Generation.

Which lead to the Xbox One's infrastructure relying so heavily on Kinect.



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