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I agree. Xbone games are prospectively looking playing better than PS4.* Remember it is a marathon, not a sprint. 

*imo



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starcraft said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Mensrea said:
Alot of people are really saying that the PS4 has all these exclusives coming up, I would love if they would try to name some. I would like to be proved wrong, but other than The Order and driveclub, I've seen nothing. And those two games look "meh".

Why should we do work for you? Ps4 has more games and more on the way which is why its winning in sales

Throw the word 'good' in before 'games' though and it becomes an entirely different debate.

And lets not kid ourselves.  Neither console has a strong library atm, and MS has the better rest-of-year line up.

PS4 has more sales because it is $100 cheaper and because Sony's early-gen PR was golden whilst Microsoft couldn't stop tripping over themselves.

This argument doesn't make sense anymore considering XBO was $450 in March with a free game bundled. Getting a PS4 with a new game will cost $460. The fact that PS4 won NPD in March should be proof enough that price isn't the only factor, just one of many. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

chocoloco said:
starcraft said:

PS4 has more sales because it is $100 cheaper 

All of last gen this line was why the PS3 was said to be behind the 360 (many xbox fans denied it as the reason) and now the roles have reversed. The xbox faithfull have now used this line as their defensive model.  I find it kind of of hypcritical to be used so eagerly

Why am I hypocritcal for something other people said years ago?

Offer a counter argument.  You truly believe current or imminent games are playing more of a role in PS4 sales than price, brand recognition and a series of good/bad PR by Sony/Microsoft respectively?

Its fine if you do - but don't just lump me in with diehard Xbox fanboys from years ago.



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

starcraft said:
Max King of the Wild said:

How has MS have the better year when MLB just launched (I know your aussie so you don't care about it but it's seen above expected sales I believe. I went to buy it yesterday and had to go to multiple locations to find it), TLoU, Planetside 2, DC, and The Order on the way. I mean, its obviously subjective but still.

It is subjective, true.

But you equated the reason PS4 is selling better as having something substantial to do with games, and there is little to no evidence of that.  MLB has never had much of a role to play in shifting systems (though I will acknowledge its a very solid series of games for those into the sport).  

The Order is one of my most anticipated games.  But its a new IP that wont be out for months.  Planetside and TLoU?  You really think they're what has pushed sales?  TLoU wasn't even rumoured until recently.

Titanfall was the big success it was meant to be, PvZ2 is brilliant as is Dead Rising and Forza.  Quantum Break and SO look awesome.  Though as I said, neither has a strong lineup.  Frankly I find it hard to recommend either console on its merits right now.

And you didn't liked any of the games you played so far on PS4?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:

Are even a moderator trying to condone the idea that MS have developed more 1st parties than Sony on 7 gen?

Where...did anyone say anything about first parties?

The "Microsoft matched or exceeded Sony..." have this conotation... now if you wanted to just say "X360 had more exclusives than PS3" it is a whole other debate, altought I still think PS3 was heads in front, maybe if even because of bias and personal preference.

The conversation was about diversity.  No one said anything about first parties.  Supporting second and third parties on your console are just as important.  And to that end, Zoo Tycoon/Fable Anniversary and World of Tanks are all examples of recent X360 support.

Some people disagree and that is fine.  But equating last generation to 5 and 6 is silly in my opinion.



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

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Fusioncode said:
starcraft said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Throw the word 'good' in before 'games' though and it becomes an entirely different debate.

And lets not kid ourselves.  Neither console has a strong library atm, and MS has the better rest-of-year line up.

PS4 has more sales because it is $100 cheaper and because Sony's early-gen PR was golden whilst Microsoft couldn't stop tripping over themselves.

This argument doesn't make sense anymore considering XBO was $450 in March with a free game bundled. Getting a PS4 with a new game will cost $460. The fact that PS4 won NPD in March should be proof enough that price isn't the only factor, just one of many. 

Yes...other factors like PR, and brand name, and Microsoft's screw ups :P

Some targeted and temporary price cuts at certain retailers and bundling does not a true price cut make!  Even if it did, you said it yourself, one of many factors (though one of the more important ones!).



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

Op. If you've been paying attention, you'll see that I've been bashing Sony left and right for nothing but ports and throwing praise Microsoft and Nintendo's way, but, we're at the start of the gen and Sony always does this. For every system they own except for the Vita, Sony hasn't really done crap when it comes to supporting their consoles in the first two years. For the Vita, Sony actually really pushed out a lot of games for launch and launch window, but they didn't do much with it since except for ports and a game here and there.

Microsoft just like Sony has also had similar launches for their previous two consoles, the Xbox and the 360. With both consoles, Microsoft came out swinging. They funded the development and bought a lot of exclusives the first few years. Microsoft didn't secure, fund, or develop nearly as many exclusives after the first few years though. There were still exclusives, but the amount dropped way off.

The reason I've been bashing Sony isn't because games aren't going to come, because they will, but the company doesn't take the initiative and have these games well into development prior to the consoles release.

Imo, Microsoft is probably going to blow their wad within the first few years like they did the last two gens trying to get as many gamers as possible during that time and then first party support is going to slow to a crawl.



DonFerrari said:

And you didn't liked any of the games you played so far on PS4?

Infamous has been the standout - i loved 1 & 2 though.

Currently working through Child of Light which is good.



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:
starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:

Are even a moderator trying to condone the idea that MS have developed more 1st parties than Sony on 7 gen?

Where...did anyone say anything about first parties?

The "Microsoft matched or exceeded Sony..." have this conotation... now if you wanted to just say "X360 had more exclusives than PS3" it is a whole other debate, altought I still think PS3 was heads in front, maybe if even because of bias and personal preference.

The conversation was about diversity.  No one said anything about first parties.  Supporting second and third parties on your console are just as important.  And to that end, Zoo Tycoon/Fable Anniversary and World of Tanks are all examples of recent X360 support.

Some people disagree and that is fine.  But equating last generation to 5 and 6 is silly in my opinion.

Even though your comment had it sound like 1st partie. But will pass through that and even tought X360 were heavily dependant on Shooters there isn't how to deny that they had variety (even if we need to include multiplats, because in the end for the player that won't matter much)... now what games one would preffer is a different topic, but would really be asinine to pretend that someone that just had a X360 wouldn't have diverse genres to play, even if for the sole reason that multiplats make more then 90% of the market or even more, and PS4 is now relying a lot in multiplats for diversity since Sony still haven't released much.

I do think MS have been lacking on support on X360 in the last 2 or 3 years (minus the end of 2013) but I don't think that is much of a problem when you already have a backlog... original Xbox were a lot harsher.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:

And you didn't liked any of the games you played so far on PS4?

Infamous has been the standout - i loved 1 & 2 though.

Currently working through Child of Light which is good.


Since I preffer to buy my games cheaper, the beggining of a gen is a drag for me, bought just Infamous and loved it (but tought the story meh). Returning home I'll lend a lot of my friend's games and will have a little more fun. Hope you enjoy it, probably will take a lot of your time.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."