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Which is better?

Complete domination of one brand 56 32.37%
 
Fierce and close competition 98 56.65%
 
Ouya 17 9.83%
 
Total:171
RolStoppable said:

One brand dominating a generation is actually a good thing, because it moves console gaming towards software competition. The higher concentration of software on one platform means that all developers have to try harder if they want to sell their games. Although the Wii has proven that this rationality does not necessarily exist among third parties.


I disagree.

Competition breeds innovation and lower prices as companies are almost required to take risks and attempt to do something different or they risk becoming  irrelevant.

Having less competitors means that companies can nickle and dime consumers that more heavily as there are no possible alternatives for consumers, for instance would Microsoft have launched Games with Gold if it wasn't for Sony's PSN scheme?
Would Sony have given gamers free games if it wasn't for the massive amount of free games on the PC and mobile platforms?
Would we have gotten motion controls like Kinect and Move if it wasn't for Nintendo?
Would we have gotten online-play if it wasn't for the PC and Sega?
Would we have gotten achievements if it wasn't for Microsoft?

Would the PS4 be $400 USD if it wasn't for all 3 manufacturers being very competitive last generation? Or would we have had to get yet *another* job to pay for it?

In a capitalistic environment, competition does *amazing* things for the consumer with no exceptions and I honestly do hope we see the same kinds of sales competition this round again. (Ideally, I would love for them all to be equal.)




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RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

Getting punished eventually doesn't stop arrogance from happening though. Give them half a chance and companies will get lazy. If their competition is breathing down their neck they're less inclined to slack off.

Arrogance cannot be prevented. All you can argue is that you can lower the risk for it to materialize, but even that has no reliable method as the Xbox One DRM debacle proves. The planned removal of all game ownership is probably the most arrogant act ever in video games history and it came from a company that was in a non-dominant position.


It's because of competition that was actually prevented.
If Microsoft retained such policies they would have bled even more wallets. :P

If Sony wasn't around we would have no choice, unless everyone switched to Nintendo or the PC.




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RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

Getting punished eventually doesn't stop arrogance from happening though. Give them half a chance and companies will get lazy. If their competition is breathing down their neck they're less inclined to slack off.

Arrogance cannot be prevented. All you can argue is that you can lower the risk for it to materialize, but even that has no reliable method as the Xbox One DRM debacle proves. The planned removal of all game ownership is probably the most arrogant act ever in video games history and it came from a company that was in a non-dominant position.

That wasn't just from Microsoft though, it was strongly supported by dominant third parties.



binary solo said:
It's not bad if it's domination a la Wii. But it is rather bad if it's domination a la PS2. What would have happened if PS3 had dominated like PS2? MS would probably be gone from consoles, and probably so would Nintendo. Or if Sony and Nintendo had simply swapped placed, with MS staying about the same then the result would have been similar, with only Nintendo the last man standing.

Though what that might have done is hasten the advent of the post-console era, with a lot of Onlive type operators getting started and some of them remaining viable as more gamers migrated towards that form game delivery than what happened in the 7th gen with 3 fairly successful consoles.

Sometimes with evolution you need a bit of a crisis to move things forward. With one dominant player the environment is unstable and there is a lot of scope for people to come in with radical new ideas, which to some extent Nintendo did with Wii for a temporary benefit. With 3 co-dominant, more or less, players the environment is much more steady and it's harder for radical new ideas to attract a big enough segment of the market.

Dammit, now I have to play ball.

PS2 era domination with PS3 is speculation at best. Any one who understands Kutaragi's design philosophy knows that the Xbox had a great influence on the aims of the PS3. Irregardless of this however, if MS wasn't able to change anything after a generation in the game, they should leave if they didn't learn from it. You either go big or you go home.

As for your last point, the market isn't unstable it just requires a different approach, do it better than the other guy or make it fresh.

curl-6 said:

Getting punished eventually doesn't stop arrogance from happening though. Give them half a chance and companies will get lazy. If their competition is breathing down their neck they're less inclined to slack off.

And the market will destroy them, see gaming crash.

Pemalite said:


I disagree.

Competition breeds innovation and lower prices as companies are almost required to take risks and attempt to do something different or they risk becoming  irrelevant.

Having less competitors means that companies can nickle and dime consumers that more heavily as there are no possible alternatives for consumers, for instance would Microsoft have launched Games with Gold if it wasn't for Sony's PSN scheme?
Would Sony have given gamers free games if it wasn't for the massive amount of free games on the PC and mobile platforms?
Would we have gotten motion controls like Kinect and Move if it wasn't for Nintendo?
Would we have gotten online-play if it wasn't for the PC and Sega?
Would we have gotten achievements if it wasn't for Microsoft?

Would the PS4 be $400 USD if it wasn't for all 3 manufacturers being very competitive last generation? Or would we have had to get yet *another* job to pay for it?

In a capitalistic environment, competition does *amazing* things for the consumer with no exceptions and I honestly do hope we see the same kinds of sales competition this round again. (Ideally, I would love for them all to be equal.)

Innovation and lower prices aren't always good for the consumer. Especially, in a media based industry. Furthermore, as Rol pointed out Consoles always have competitors because of the mobile and PC industries.

The second MS, Sony, or Nintendo thinks they can nickle and dime consumers, they will get obliterated by PC and Mobile, especially when PC is closing in on consoles from the price side and mobile is closing in on them from them performance side.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

curl-6 said:

Getting punished eventually doesn't stop arrogance from happening though. Give them half a chance and companies will get lazy. If their competition is breathing down their neck they're less inclined to slack off.

And the market will destroy them, see gaming crash.

Not necessarily; Sony and Nintendo have survived past arrogance.



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curl-6 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

curl-6 said:

Getting punished eventually doesn't stop arrogance from happening though. Give them half a chance and companies will get lazy. If their competition is breathing down their neck they're less inclined to slack off.

And the market will destroy them, see gaming crash.

Not necessarily; Sony and Nintendo have survived past arrogance.

Barely.

PS4 and 3DS/2DS is all the evidence you need.



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RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

That wasn't just from Microsoft though, it was strongly supported by dominant third parties.

My point is that arrogance is born from dominant and non-dominant positions alike. Meaning that in a competitive field with no dominant positions whatsoever, you will still encounter arrogance. Arrogance will always exist as long as people are involved.

You'll never eliminate it altogether, true, but there are certain circumstances where it's more/less likely to occur.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
curl-6 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

And the market will destroy them, see gaming crash.

Not necessarily; Sony and Nintendo have survived past arrogance.

Barely.

PS4 and 3DS/2DS is all the evidence you need.

Not sure I get your point here. You're saying that they survive only by using their second chance to correct their arrogance?



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Pemalite said:


I disagree.

Competition breeds innovation and lower prices as companies are almost required to take risks and attempt to do something different or they risk becoming  irrelevant.

Having less competitors means that companies can nickle and dime consumers that more heavily as there are no possible alternatives for consumers, for instance would Microsoft have launched Games with Gold if it wasn't for Sony's PSN scheme?
Would Sony have given gamers free games if it wasn't for the massive amount of free games on the PC and mobile platforms?
Would we have gotten motion controls like Kinect and Move if it wasn't for Nintendo?
Would we have gotten online-play if it wasn't for the PC and Sega?
Would we have gotten achievements if it wasn't for Microsoft?

Would the PS4 be $400 USD if it wasn't for all 3 manufacturers being very competitive last generation? Or would we have had to get yet *another* job to pay for it?

In a capitalistic environment, competition does *amazing* things for the consumer with no exceptions and I honestly do hope we see the same kinds of sales competition this round again. (Ideally, I would love for them all to be equal.)

Innovation and lower prices aren't always good for the consumer. Especially, in a media based industry. Furthermore, as Rol pointed out Consoles always have competitors because of the mobile and PC industries.

The second MS, Sony, or Nintendo thinks they can nickle and dime consumers, they will get obliterated by PC and Mobile, especially when PC is closing in on consoles from the price side and mobile is closing in on them from them performance side.


Lower prices are *always* good for the consumer.
How is paying more better?

I'm a PC gamer, there has been no negative side effects in the PC marketplace with lower prices thanks to Steams Sales, in-fact Valve have often stated that lower prices actually increases sales as more people are willing to part with their cash.




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I'm in the 'dominant console' camp, having a dominant console allows more experimental and risky games to flourish, and improves the quality of games. When the market is evenly split, developers either waste resources supporting multiple consoles to improve their potential market size, or reduce risk by sticking to the tried and true genre's and gaming tropes.

Regarding arrogance of the console maker due to market domination, no matter what a console maker does time and technology keep marching on, which eventually leads to a new console generation, and each generation forms a reset switch that puts the console makers on a level playing field again. Last gen was a classic example, PS2 was dominant, Sony got arrogant, made some dumb decisions with the PS3, lost huge marketshare to the 360. Customer loyalty only takes console makers so far, and the more missteps a console maker makes, the less loyalty that remains.