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Forums - Sales - NPD March 2014 Thread - PS4 #1 (371k), Xbox One 311k, 360 111k, WiiU ~70k, Vita close to 4 digits. Titanfall tops software

 

Did the NPD results surprise you?

Yes 379 53.23%
 
No 308 43.26%
 
Total:687
TheShogun said:
MS should do a complete re branding of the system.

1. Drop the price by $100
2. Cut out the Kinect
3. Bundle the console with 1 great piece of software such as Forza, Titanfall, etc.
4. Do a new marketing push focused on the GAMER
5. Announce a bunch of new games and content.

I know many of these things are already semi happening such as bundled games and some unofficial price drops but MS should come out and officially do these things as a complete re branding process.


With that key marketing push, they need key software.

Id imagine that the only real time they could pull it off would be during the Holidays. That said, Im fully expecting a pricecut and the White One to go alongside the key software.



                            

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milliniar said:
Shinobi-san said:
Not quite on the X1 doom train yet.

MS has lots of cards to play. However they cant afford to let Sony increase their momentum. Before you know it, the PS4 is the next 360. At which point the X1 becomes a failure.

I would remove the kinect, cut the price and give it a new marketing push with key new software like quantum break etc. The X1 has a solid games library they need to sell it.

I think a better comparision is PS4 is the next PS2. Outside of NA PS3 stomped 360 when you factor in the 1 year lead it had, and the rebuys due to RROD in north america. Call it anecdotal but nearly everyone i know that bought an og 360 bought at least one other after the first died.

XB1 will need to get it together, and they have games that could be interesting.

I was speaking specifically about how the US has favoured the 360 last gen.

If PS4 becomes the prefered US console to that level then i dont see the console business being worth it for MS (in the short term).



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why would Xbox remove kinect,i just don't get that,it is a major part of the system,they should have stuck with what they had originally planned and taken the long game



  

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drkohler said:
Shinobi-san said:

I would remove the kinect, cut the price and give it a new marketing push with key new software like quantum break etc. The X1 has a solid games library they need to sell it.

I'm pretty sure MS has a long term manufacturing contract with the foundry that makes the SoC/tof/camera chips. Not bundling the Kinect2 anymore would mean either fill a warehouse with Kinect2s or break the contract. Both versions would mean 9-digit $ penalties. So that is not an option.

Another marketing push costs lots of dough as well. MS has just lost a sh*tton of money with the huge Titanfall push (advertising, freebie software, inofficial pricecuts left and right).

The investor group that wanted to get rid of the whole XBox brand has not dissipated at all. They still want to see a positive outlook, and at this time they have not seen it. They might be in hibernation at this time, but whoever runs XBox plans now should not continue to throw too much money down the pit, or else...

Its what they need to do though.I wasnt looking at the detail of what that entails.

I really dont think MS is in the console business to make heaps of money. I see it as a way MS gets into your living room...a place they generally dont have any presence. Ms have always spoken about a bigger picture with the Xbox brand.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
milliniar said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

That's just speculation based on last gen and this gen. The PS2 released after the GC and Xbox yes, so it was definetly not designed to compete against their hardware. Thus the GC and Xbox were a lot more powerful. However, The Console War that we have now that started last gen is not the same one that we had prior in with the PS1, Saturn, and 64 in the 5th Gen, that "war" was incited by the companies to increase market awareness.

The 7th gen War was started by fans and thanks to the internet and social media fanbases can communciate with each other and against other groups. 

In 5th gen most people here had dial up, you didn't have internet communities for the PS2, it barely had online gaming. Only having one console for some kind of brand identity was even more insane then it is now because, social networking didn't really exist so you could barely even voice your opinions. It only made sense if it was an issue of price, or convience (many people were introduced into gaming because of the Xbox)

MS fans were such because they liked Xbox, but it had nothing to do with whether or not they where fans of PS2 or Nintendo.

Nope PS2 Was first

PS2 Mar 2000 JP, OCT 2000 NA+EU

GC sep 2001 JP, Nov NA, May 2002 EU

Xbox Nov 2001 NA, Feb 2002 JP, March 2002 EU

With a little reading comprehension its not hard to see I meant earlier.

@Italics : definetly not designed to compete against their hardware

How would something released after not be designed to compete against competitors already on the market?

here are some more intresting dates

360 2005

PS3 2006

Kotaku 2004

G4 2002

GameTrailers 2005

YouTube 2005

Facebook 2004

Twitter 2006

This second console war is because of Social Media.

Not because Social Media. Console wars existed since SNES / Genisis and would still have happened wo the new types of comunication. But social media expanded it somewhat.



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Barenziah said:
why would Xbox remove kinect,i just don't get that,it is a major part of the system,they should have stuck with what they had originally planned and taken the long game

My first reaction was that this was sarcasm but seeing as how its not parodying anything people are saying, I've come to the conclusion that you actually believe this and such is puzzling.

The situation we are in where the gap is only "2 million" can attest to that. The casuals aren't picking it up when it has MS is basically subsidizing the Kinect and Titan Fall and giving them away for free. How on earth can you claim that a 500$ DRM Spybox would perform even at par with what MS has now?



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Shinobi-san said:

 In my opinion the new Kinect could have done wonders. But there's no software for it.

This is the biggest issue i have with MS's X1 launch. They are investing a lot in Kinect yet they didnt have any software for it? And apart from one or two games now they still dont have the software to sell the device.

Agreed, that part of MS's XB1 launch made no sense. MS PR made a big deal about the improved capability of the new Kinect, mentioned that the XB1's lower specs were in part mitigated by the improved immersion thanks to the new kinect, yet when it released there is nothing to sell it other than the fact the UI needs it. Sony has shown that you don't need the expense of the Kinect hardware to handle voice commands and face recognition, the two things that many XB1 fans crow about. MS could have done the same with the original Kinect hardware without all the additional investment, or a simple web camera. 

You can tell MS don't really believe in Kinect through their constant defence of the XB1's specs and performance in cross-platform games. If MS really believed that Kinect provided a better gaming experience then they wouldn't need to keep defending the XB1's performance in these games because Kinect would make up for the lower resolution in gaming immersion, but they aren't doing that. MS needs to start actively selling the Kinect on its merits if it wants people to pay extra for it, and one Kinect game (Rivals) isn't going to cut it, it needs to be heavily used in all their first party games, otherwise it'll just end up like the Wii U's gamepad, an arguably unappealing and expensive accessory that just puts a barrier on entry to an otherwise fine gaming system. 



This will make E3 a lot more exciting, to be sure. Winning March NPD might have given them some false hope in terms of how things are headed. This will ensure MAJOR changes. They're going to open the floodgates on total madness there, bank on it.

Also, people are delusional if they truly believe that sticking with Kinect is worthwhile if it means a higher price.

We live in a socially-connected world, and losing inertia to your competitor early in a large and consistent way is a path to failure and irrelevancy in respect to competitive AAA gaming economics. What simply happens is that people start buying console A because all of their friends are buying console A and they want to be on that page.

Even multi-console people are a loss to them thanks to the multiplats being usually superior on PS4. So someone with a PS4 and XB1 would be fairly likely to only buy exclusives for the XB1. As opposed to the U where the exclusives ARE the reason to own the system, and there are more of them (and they hold high pricing for ludicrous periods, watch MK8 still be $59 in two or three years on).

So yes, watch for massive moves at E3. Heads are exploding all over MS right now.

Dare I say it : $299 kinectless XB1 w/1 year of XBLG.

Likely? Only moderately. But that is dramatically higher than if they had comfortably won March NPD with their $449+Titanfall effort.



pezus said:

Software sales declined 27 percent overall. "Year-over-year sales of every platform declined from March 2013, with the exception of the PS Vita, which saw sales grow due to the release of Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster," Callahan said.

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Vita beasting

Vita saving this industry. 



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Microsoft is really going to have to bring their A game this E3. I can't imagine they're happy with these sales.



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