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ICStats on 17 April 2014

Really need to consider the context of this being an "angry" Joe review. He was in character, like a zeropunctuation review minces few words. Readers/watchers of these reviews know what to expect.

Do you think this guys readers expect/care about an over sensitive editor from a different publication going on & on about minor technicalities in the pre-amble to Joe's own review?



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dahuman on 17 April 2014
mornelithe said:
dahuman said:
DD_Bwest said:

No, an adult would contact AJ in a private manner.  The way he chose to approach this whole thing is what makes him look childish.

Also, it appears people will side with one or the other based on the semantics of the argument.  in cases like this no one is really right,  but that doesnt change the fact dan made himself look terrible, and im sure IGN isnt to happy about it.

With the way Joe acted, do you think the problem would have been solved in private? I personally think it would have went worse, and to do it in public can at least give people a chance to decide if the things Joe did was in the right or wrong, and the thing Joe did was in fact wrong and was in noway civil in the public conversation when all he had to do was acknowledge where he fucked up and moved on. This has nothing to do with big corp looking down on the small guy or who's morally correct, but rather that if you can't quote properly, then what the fuck are you doing reviewing stuff for us?

If you look at the timeline of the dialogue, Dan starts out attacking Joe unsolicited, and off-topic.

and the best comebacks Joe had were straight up insults? That's really gonna score some points right there man.



dahuman on 17 April 2014
KylieDog said:
dahuman said:
ICStats said:
Dan Stapleton is doing himself and IGN a disservice by carrying on this stupid dialog in public.


He's simply discrediting somebody for misrepresenting his company, and it's logical to do it in public IMO. What's the point of taking up the issue in private when Joe is even acting like a teenager on a public tweet?


Arguing over a 0.1 score difference and ignoring the actual point (what really matters) is being petty and being a dick.  You don't try and discredit an entire argument over a 0.1 score difference.

edit: and 8.9 was shown in AJs video, so he is arguing over a 0.1 mentioned in the tweet by AJ, so the IGN guy not even having a fit over AJs video anymore.


Dick move, maybe, but still not factually wrong, Dan chose the route of confrontation which might seem like a waste of time TBH because most people on this planet are idiots, but he's still not factually wrong, more like a waste of people's time. XD



sundin13 on 17 April 2014

I just watched the part from the Angry Joe review talking about review scores...I personally didn't see any "misquoting" or "misrepresentation". Certainly nothing for a professional to get upset about, especially after a month has already gone by since AJ posted that review...

He didn't even mention IGN by name, just put up their "Believe the hype" quote and their "8.9" review score...



dahuman on 17 April 2014
Leadified said:
dahuman said:
Leadified said:

Youtube embedding is broken here's the link, the whole thing started from what Joe said at 8:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZhUHOqaC5_A#t=500

Here's the video since no one else linked it yet. He said major outlets were giving the game high scores and telling people to believe to hype, which they did. Dan is technically right about a 8.9 not being a 9 but that is completely irrelevant since 8.9 is still a "high score". So really Dan's comments were pretty much uncalled for.

But that's not why Dan had an issue with it, I think you are missing the point of why he questioned Joe in the first place.

What Dan said is factually incorrect. He said that, "Talking about reviews and then showing a quote not in the review is misrepresenting our review." Firstly, Joe was never talking about the reviews, he was talking about review scores AND that outlets were saying things like "believe the hype". Did IGN do both of those things? Yes they did. Dan is accusing Joe of things he never did in the first place.

If Joe said that quote came from IGN's review then Joe would be wrong and indeed he would be misquoting but he didn't.


The place where Dan came from is simple, if Joe wanted to toss IGN in there, then he should have left out the review scores 9-10 part because now people are linked in their mind to IGN which scored the game in the 8 category and not 9-10, and it's indeed a misrepresentation. Joe fucked up, Dan got too worked up, Joe came out with wtf insults, dumb asses, but Dan is not wrong.



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dahuman on 17 April 2014
DD_Bwest said:
dahuman said:
DD_Bwest said:
 

No, an adult would contact AJ in a private manner.  The way he chose to approach this whole thing is what makes him look childish.

Also, it appears people will side with one or the other based on the semantics of the argument.  in cases like this no one is really right,  but that doesnt change the fact dan made himself look terrible, and im sure IGN isnt to happy about it.

With the way Joe acted, do you think the problem would have been solved in private? I personally think it would have went worse, and to do it in public can at least give people a chance to decide if the things Joe did was in the right or wrong, and the thing Joe did was in fact wrong and was in noway civil in the public conversation when all he had to do was acknowledge where he fucked up and moved on. This has nothing to do with big corp looking down on the small guy or who's morally correct, but rather that if you can't quote properly, then what the fuck are you doing reviewing stuff for us?


you cant honestly believe he tried to solve the problem in an adult manner by starting the whole thing with a tweet asking if aj will malicously misquote people do you? 

It's fucking tweeter, so no, in a perfect world, Dan should have just let it go and be like "fucking retard, heh." Instead, now we are having a good time.



DélioPT on 17 April 2014
KingdomHeartsFan said:
DélioPT said:
The IGN guy is right. His quote was taken out of one context and used in another which ended up giving the wrong image of the actual review.
That, to me, was unfair. He had the right to correct Angry Joe on the matter: if his review didn`t reflect what AJ was trying to show, his review shouldn´t have been used as na exemple of that.

If I remember correctly Angry Joe was talking about reviewers giving Titanfall high scores then a picture of IGN's 8.9/10 showed up in th background, how is that taking anything out of context?

Basing my comments from just the conversation, Dan isn`t complaining about the use of the review classification but that AJ used a quote from a preview and then paired it with the review classification, to make his point. And that is what i think it`s unfair and gives people the wrong impression of IGN`s review.




DarkWraith on 17 April 2014

more proof that gaming journalists are 12 years old mentally



dahuman on 17 April 2014
ICStats said:
dahuman said:

You work with games right? Tell me, if a preview says the game is trash but the end review is a 9/10 because the game ended up being great after polish, would it still be fair to quote the preview in contrast to the review? They are not in the same context because they are done in different situations or times, even if somehow the opinions didn't change much from preview to review, you just can't use them in the same context because opinions can change at anytime.

I can't argue with that, however this is not to that extreme.

When someone goes from saying the game is trash to 9/10 it's pretty obvious they changed their mind; they might even go on the record of saying how wrong they were in their first impression.

I haven't read the IGN review completely, but did they ever say "We thought it was worth the hype, but actually it's not?"

Let's just say that I stay the fuck away from previews these days for good reasons, they never really mean jack shit until the game ships or the final product is in my hands or HDD/SSD.



jlmurph2 on 17 April 2014

I really don't like Dan. He always does shit like this in the IGN review comment section. Arguing with anyone and everyone that has a problem with the reviews that most of the time weren't even written by him.