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marioboy2004 said:
Leadified said:

So then why did the N64, especially, sell worse than the SNES? Which did not have as close to as much western support. I fail to see how western development = more hardware sales.

There was a time where Japanese game developers were the most competent developers for consoles.  Now that PC and console specs can match closely American developers have become a big player in the console arena.  Being inclusive to only Japanese developers really is not what nintendo should be doing especially if it wants to capture a bigger western audience and bigger piece of the pie.  Nintendo after all is a business and businesses should thrive on sales and profit.

Don't get me wrong nintendo makes the best platformers and certain adventure games but should try to appeal to other types of gamers too.

Alright, now we got some points we can agree upon, I do understand the point you were trying to get across now. Nintendo should continue to invest more into western devs, that's simply because where the market is currently. Being inclusive to a now worldwide range of developers while keeping a solid focus that Nintendo is good at, is a great idea.

Nintendo is slow to change but I do think that are taking progressive steps forward in this direction with indie titles currently and I am optimisstic that program will expand in the future to allow other devs to work on games such as F-Zero, Starfox or Advance Wars, titles which have a demand backing them, but so far have seen little support from Nintendo for new titles.



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The last time nintendo invested In a decent sized western developer ( Retro studios) things turned out great..they just need to do more of this and at the same time they could revive old franchises or create new IP. I mean look at Sony and naughty dog.

as a nintendo (since NES) fan I have to admit that if uncharted came to wii u I wouldn't hesitate to buy and try it



marioboy2004 said:

The last time nintendo invested In a decent sized western developer ( Retro studios) things turned out great..they just need to do more of this and at the same time they could revive old franchises or create new IP. I mean look at Sony and naughty dog.

as a nintendo (since NES) fan I have to admit that if uncharted came to wii u I wouldn't hesitate to buy and try it


Nailed it!



Leadified said:
marioboy2004 said:

The last time nintendo invested In a decent sized western developer ( Retro studios) things turned out great..they just need to do more of this and at the same time they could revive old franchises or create new IP. I mean look at Sony and naughty dog.

as a nintendo (since NES) fan I have to admit that if uncharted came to wii u I wouldn't hesitate to buy and try it


Nailed it!

I do enjoy my wii u and am currently playing through older wii games ( I took a break from gaming to obtain my degree).  But it's sad to see wii u sell so miserably.  I would hate to see the company I grew up with how out of the console race due to not enough sales and profits.  The day nintendo stops making consoles is the day I go handheld only, but I would hate to see that day.



marioboy2004 said:
Leadified said:
marioboy2004 said:

The last time nintendo invested In a decent sized western developer ( Retro studios) things turned out great..they just need to do more of this and at the same time they could revive old franchises or create new IP. I mean look at Sony and naughty dog.

as a nintendo (since NES) fan I have to admit that if uncharted came to wii u I wouldn't hesitate to buy and try it


Nailed it!

I do enjoy my wii u and am currently playing through older wii games ( I took a break from gaming to obtain my degree).  But it's sad to see wii u sell so miserably.  I would hate to see the company I grew up with how out of the console race due to not enough sales and profits.  The day nintendo stops making consoles is the day I go handheld only, but I would hate to see that day.


Things aren't looking too hot for the Wii U and there are legitimiate concerns to be had with Nintendo's future in the home console market, but it's not over till it's over. For now I'm just trying to be optimisstic for their future until they say otherwise.



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zorg1000 said:
theprof00 said:
NintendoPie said:
theprof00 said:

You were a terrible detective, and what do you mean by bolded.

I was a good enough detective to see from the beginning that Anfebious was trolling you.

A good detective keeps in mind how logical the person is when they're being serious as well.

I gave the benefit of doubt and asked just in case. My post really is the bottom line on the subject....Nintendo is struggling to catch up to standards. There is so much work ahead of them because they sat on their asses all last gen while they raked in the money. Titles are greatly benefitted with the DLC model, and fanbases are more than happy to pay.

One of the reasons Nintendo turns me off is because they don't release games often enough. If you can't satisfy me with one game every 4 years, what makes you think I'll buy your system? Especially when you don't support it?

And the idea that Nintendo polishes their games so there are no glitches? Nonsense. Nintendo games not only have game-breaking bugs (Remember the latest pokemon bricking event?), but they also update just like everyone else, and already have dlc in games like fire emblem and animal crossing. Nintendo is already heading there...and it's great! They're churning out games faster than they have in the last ten years. There's no problem here.

Saying, "nintendo is fine, what, do you want them to be like EA", is an immature argument using exaggeration to make a nonsensical point. DLC and updates could lead to becoming like EA, but it also could mature into becoming like Naughty Dog- a single studio which possibly held more goty awards than all of nintendo last gen.



Saying Nintendo releases one game every 4 years is an immature argument using exaggeration to make a nonsensical point.

wii 8 years

2 metroids

1 mario party

1 smash

2 zeldas

2 wii sports

2 galaxys

2 nsmb

1 tennis

1 soccer

do i need to continue?

you're done.



DevilRising said:
It's not fuckin' rocket science.

3DS stumbled out of the gate, as you say, because it's launch lineup SUCKED. There were ZERO "must have" titles to help sell the console. The price wasn't even the issue, and the price drop, while it absolutely helped sales, wasn't technically necessary. What really picked up sales, was the release of MK7, and Super Mario 3D Land. When those came out, 3DS finally had some "killer apps".

Wii U is a bit different. It didn't stumble RIGHT out of the gate. In fact it did well within it's launch window, selling close to 3 million units. It even had a rather robust launch lineup, one of the single biggest arrays of launch software in gaming history actually. BUT, one thing it kind of didn't have, was a "MUST HAVE" killer app. Nintendo Land simply wasn't as readily accessible and "for everyone" as Wii Sports had been. Nintendo tried, and they obviously thought NL would be that, but it just wasn't. NSMBU was a great game, and it still to this day has the highest attach rate of any game on the console. But it was hindered by Nintendo releasing it FAR too close to NSMB2 on 3DS. The enthusiasm for the game would have been much higher if Nintendo had release NSMB2 much further away from U than they did.

Wii U's real trouble started in the first half+ of 2013, when they published a grand total of ONE title themselves, Lego City (which is a great game), and third party support during that same period also became sparse. Third party support AT LAUNCH was very strong. But because many of those games didn't sell very well, some of those third parties, namely EA, stopped or lessened their support going forward. System sales suffered because of a lack of software released for much of 2013. THAT, along with poor/lack of advertising, was the main cause of Wii U's troubles. Things picked up late in the year, which reflected in Wii U selling around 1 million consoles in the last few months of 2013.

2014 is going BETTER, with two Nintendo retail releases in the first two months, Wii Fit U and DKCR2. But then there's the gap between March and late May, before MK8 comes out. There is still, unlike last year, a slow trickle of third party retail software releasing in those months, and support is certainly steadier than it was last year. BUT, the simple fact is, if Nintendo had managed to release MK8 on April 30th, instead of May 30th, at least perception wise, that might've made all the difference in the world, as far as there seeming like a major gap.

But, the undeniable fact is, that Mario Kart 8 IS a "must have", system selling type of killer app title, and it's release WILL help Wii U sales. It's not a question of IF it will help, only a question of how much. Will it help some, or a lot? And how will Nintendo follow MK8? Will they manage to have a stronger, steadier release lineup from June-December 2014? One would hope so, especially considering that games like Bayonetta 2, Yarn Yoshi, and even X surely should all be close to done, all of them having been in development for years.

So regardless of whatever blather is being talked about Nintendo's "arrogance", nothing has changed as far as the real issue behind Wii U's struggles. It hasn't had a single, MUST HAVE piece of software to push the system. It just hasn't. It's had many GOOD games. But even Super Mario 3D World, as good as it is, was hurt somewhat by the perception that "oh, it's just another 3D Land game". So it also wasn't the "killer app" Wii U needed. Mario Kart will be, there is no arguing that. It only remains to be seen how MUCH it will help, and if Nintendo can drive the momentum forward going forward.


Damn! Well Said Brotha!!! **Hogan's voice**

theprof00 said:

wii 8 years

2 metroids

1 mario party

1 smash

2 zeldas

2 wii sports

2 galaxys

2 nsmb

1 tennis

1 soccer

do i need to continue?

you're done.



Love when facts are used in arguments. And to make your argument stronger there was only 1 New Super Mario Bros released on the Wii. 2 on the the DS/3DS

 

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I think Nintendo is arrogant and they need some more disappointment on their good efforts to realize the true cost of being arrogant about not competing with Sony / MS.

I think suggesting games be released before they are ready is one area where I would like all video game companies to be firmly arrogant. That said, perhaps Nintendo needs to start scaling up on staff and then downsizing after project completes like some of the other developers do.



theprof00 said:
This is solved easily by simply hiring more devs. Just because nintendo is tight with the pursestrings doesnt mean we should praise them for one franchise entry per gen.


I completely agree with this. Nintendo is struggling to support two console simultaneously - this much is clear