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Silver_Z said:
It is slow, not Doomed!! Even if Microsoft were to come out with a new system in 2009, it will only be the same in specs(note that I say in specs) to the playstation 3. The playstation 3 has potential for many years to come. Thats if Sony can hold out so long. lol! "Why did they have to boost the price of the Playstation 3 with a Blu-Ray player no one needs? " Of coz we need blu-ray. Blu-ray is not abt HD movies. Stop associating blu-ray with movies. blu-ray is a media format. Would you want a console that uses CD, and the entire content is only 640mb? Blu-ray media can hold 25gb of data on a single layer, which allows developers to increase their content/storyline or enhance their image and sound quality. No longer need swapping of 3 DVDs like Onimusha 3 in PS2.

 Actually, a Blu-Ray disc can hold 50 GBs compared to HD DVD's 30 GBs. I keep forgetting that the games, not just movies, are also being released on Blu-Ray discs. Therefore, as long as the games look nicer on the end, because of Blu-Ray, then maybe the expensive machine might be worth it after all.



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KruzeS said:
rocketpig said:

Seriously, where do you people get this stuff? The PS3 isn't even really that powerful when taking into consideration its primary objective, which is gaming. The cell is not a great chip for gaming. It's one hell of a server or supercomputer chip, but it's not particularly good for the non-linear nature of video game processing.

Servers? Now, that one's new!

Let me see... yeah, this is the right quote: “Seriously, where do you people get this stuff?”.

The Cell is great for gaming, er... I mean graphics, but isn't that what (PS3) gaming is all about? Seriously, bad for AI, game logic, etc. But great at helping out with real-time graphic effects in really dynamic environments.


Xbox 360 being American has absolutely nothing to do with its games. There are a few Japanese games for the system. And there are American games for the Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii. You can't be stereo typical like that. You can't judge good games based on what country they originated from. People can't limit themselves to games of their origin. What is the point of living in such a big world when people limit themselves to their own country. And besides that, 380,000 Japanese people own the system. It might be less than the Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii, but when you look at that number, that is still one hell of a big number. Go buy an Xbox 360. You will like it. All video game consoles are good. However, the console itself means absolutely nothing. Try playing a Nintendo Wii with no games. Try playing a Playstation 3 with no games. Try playing an Xbox 360 with no games. Go fiddle around with the menus and such. Not worth it, is it? Consoles mean nothing. They only play the games you like. The only important things are the games themselves. 



KruzeS said:
rocketpig said:

Seriously, where do you people get this stuff? The PS3 isn't even really that powerful when taking into consideration its primary objective, which is gaming. The cell is not a great chip for gaming. It's one hell of a server or supercomputer chip, but it's not particularly good for the non-linear nature of video game processing.

Servers? Now, that one's new!

Let me see... yeah, this is the right quote: “Seriously, where do you people get this stuff?”.

The Cell is great for gaming, er... I mean graphics, but isn't that what (PS3) gaming is all about? Seriously, bad for AI, game logic, etc. But great at helping out with real-time graphic effects in really dynamic environments.


 Kind of sad how the Playstation 3 is devoted mainly to its graphics, yet some of the games that came out for the Xbox 360, and Playstation 3, were in fact nicer on the Xbox 360, an inferior console, that does not focus mainly on graphics.



larry said:
a.l.e.x59 said:
Sony did extremely well with Playstation and Playstation 2, but is doing very bad in comparison to Nintendo with the Playstation Portable, and Nintendo and Microsoft with the Playstation 3. Why?

Playstation and Playstation 2 did not rely so heavily on power, but focused more on the video games themselves. Some might say that the Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64 were more powerful than the Playstation. Playstation didn't win with power. It won with games. The Gamecube was definitely a little more powerful than the Playstation 2, but again, the Playstation 2 won with games, not power.

Then the Playstation Portable came out. Sony was not focusing on games out all. Not only were they focusing much more on power, but also on other things such as movies, music, pictures, and Internet, and got a little bit side-tracked in the game department, assuming that its power, and the other cool things it could do, would win alone. The Nintendo DS won because of the games, and because of it being innovating.

Playstation 3 is just like the Playstation Portable, and the Nintendo Wii is just like the Nintendo DS.

PSP is focusing outside of games, which is why it is failing. Nintendo DS is focusing heavily on games, and innovation, which is why it is winning.

PS3 is focusing outside of games, which is why it is failing. Nintendo Wii is focusing heavily on games, and innovation, which is why it is winning.

I personally think it is game over for Sony now. I thought that the Playstation 2, and especially the Playstation, were amazing machines, but Sony decided it wasn't doing good enough with PS2 sales, and decided to look outside of the video game department, and into movies and such. Sure, Blu-Ray players are cool, by themselves that is. Why did they have to boost the price of the Playstation 3 with a Blu-Ray player no one needs? Sony should have made stand alone Blu-Ray players, and not glue it onto its video game systems.

Well, Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are very identical. In the end, the Playstation 3 will fail, and there will be no Playstation 4.

In the next generation of video gaming, Microsoft and Nintendo will be the only competing systems. We might find the Xbox 720, and Nintendo Sphere, however, no Playstation 4.

Sure, I want Sony to succeed. I want a Playstation 4. My Playstation 3 is collecting dust in my closet. Why? Because Sony isn't focusing on games. If they don't want to focus on games, then why are they still in the game industry?

And one of the major mistakes that Sony did was to throw away their mascot, Crash Bandicoot. Nobody seems to notice the power that Crash Bandicoot had. He was Sony's second best-selling, first party franchise (Grand Turismo was the first) of all time. Crash Bandicoot 2 sold more games than any other Sonic the Hedgehog game. And all together, Sonic the Hedgehog's franchise is only 4 million games more than Crash Bandicoot. Where is Crash Bandicoot now? He's with Nintendo now, just like Sonic. Nintendo is ending up with Sony's franchises.

What replaced Crash Bandicoot? Jak and Daxter. Were they ever as popular? Not even close. Even Spyro sold more games than Ratchet and Clank. And now with the PS3 coming, I wouldnt be surprised to see Jak and Ratchet on Nintendo.

Stop messing around Sony, and start making good games for your system.

 

wowww what a troll???? ps3 beats x360 4.5: 1 in terms of sales in japan.

In europe and the remaining PAL region  it even beats the Wii in some places.

ps3 beats x360 there by a margin of 2:1.

in US had it not been for the elite the ps3 -x360 monthly sales difference would have been atmost as low as 30k in april.

MODS are u there????


 If you focus on world-wide sales figures, you will see a big difference.

Playstation 3 is the most powerful video game console in the entire world. And that is why it isn't doing as good. Sony looked too far outside of the video games themselves, and got side-tracked.

Playstation 3 was supposed to beat the Playstation 2, which would have been expected to end up with 120-130 million consoles. But at its current rate of 3 million in half a year, it may end up with only 40 million consoles, if it surives the generation. Otherwise, it might just drop out at about 10 million. Even the Sega Saturn was doing better at certain points than the Playstation 3.

Well, it could always have been worse. It could have been an Atari Jaguar, or 3DO, or Amiga CD, or Sega CD, or Phillips CDi.



rocketpig said:
KruzeS said:
rocketpig said:

Seriously, where do you people get this stuff? The PS3 isn't even really that powerful when taking into consideration its primary objective, which is gaming. The cell is not a great chip for gaming. It's one hell of a server or supercomputer chip, but it's not particularly good for the non-linear nature of video game processing.

Servers? Now, that one's new!

Let me see... yeah, this is the right quote: “Seriously, where do you people get this stuff?”.

The Cell is great for gaming, er... I mean graphics, but isn't that what (PS3) gaming is all about? Seriously, bad for AI, game logic, etc. But great at helping out with real-time graphic effects in really dynamic environments.


You do realize that IBM developed the Cell for servers, right? That is its primary purpose and that's why IBM is touting it as their new big thing in blade servers.

And while the Cell is powerful, that I admit, I think 360's three symmetrical cores and more powerful GPU is the right move for gaming. And from the reports I'm reading from most developers, they're saying the same thing. Sure, it can help in real-time effects, but at the cost of AI. So how is that a good solution for gaming?

Playstation 3 GPU = 550

Xbox 360 GPU = 500

Nintendo Wii GPU = 243

Xbox GPU = 233

Nintendo Gamecube GPU = 167

Playstation 2 GPU = 143

Dreamcast GPU = 128

Playstation 3 is clearly more superior to the Xbox 360 in terms of GPU. It is just over 4 times as much as the Sega Dreamcast, Just under 3 times as much as the Playstation 2. Just under 3 times as much as the Nintendo Gamecube. Just over twice as much as the Xbox. Just over twice as much as the Nintendo Wii. Just over one time as much as the Xbox 360. Not 32 times more than the PS2. Not twice as much as the Xbox 360. Not 4 times as much as the Wii. It is the most powerful, but it is often times over exaggerated.



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I see it this way: no matter how you slice it, the PS3 hasn't had a very successful launch in the US or Japan. In Europe things have gone alright so far to say the least, but definetly not something to write home about. Sony definetly knows these things and, while yes it may look bad for them now, Sony still has a of of hype surrounding titles such as Lair, which will definetly help Sony out for a while but probably won't give it the type of success and hype it needs in order to help out the system in the long run. Now of course we have HOME, Little Big Planet, MGS4, and many other multi platform titles to come out later on during the course of the year and into 08. And if you look at the Japanese Most Wanted List, you'll see a list with primarily PS3 games (also DS but thats different). In the end though, will the huge games such as Resident Evil 5, Final Fantasy, MGS4, and GTA4 come to late for the system? Will the 360 and Wii userbase be to high that gamers won't buy games on the PS3 anymore? Who knows, I didn't expect the Wii to outsell it by this much and I am not going to even try to predict the rest of 07. The only thing we know for sure that will greatly help sales of the system is a price drop, and i don't think Sony can afford something like that right now.



OriGin said:
rocketpig said:
KruzeS said:
rocketpig said:

Seriously, where do you people get this stuff? The PS3 isn't even really that powerful when taking into consideration its primary objective, which is gaming. The cell is not a great chip for gaming. It's one hell of a server or supercomputer chip, but it's not particularly good for the non-linear nature of video game processing.

Servers? Now, that one's new!

Let me see... yeah, this is the right quote: “Seriously, where do you people get this stuff?”.

The Cell is great for gaming, er... I mean graphics, but isn't that what (PS3) gaming is all about? Seriously, bad for AI, game logic, etc. But great at helping out with real-time graphic effects in really dynamic environments.


You do realize that IBM developed the Cell for servers, right? That is its primary purpose and that's why IBM is touting it as their new big thing in blade servers.

And while the Cell is powerful, that I admit, I think 360's three symmetrical cores and more powerful GPU is the right move for gaming. And from the reports I'm reading from most developers, they're saying the same thing. Sure, it can help in real-time effects, but at the cost of AI. So how is that a good solution for gaming?


 In terms of taking advantage of the console straight away, but Sony have future plans for the PS3.  While what we are starting to see on the X360 isn't the best it can do, there isn't much more room for too much more improvement on that hardware, however the PS3 has a whole heap of power up it's sleeve.  

Look at early PS2 games and then at FFXII and God of War 2 and tell me those graphics are unbelievable for hardware from 2000.  

God of War 2 looks better than Zelda on Wii I believe.

PS3 has that scalability and it will increase as the future goes on, it's not doomed it's just not going to do well this year, it will pick up for sure.


 When I saw videos of God of War 2, I thought that the game was a Playstation 3 game. About that, why did they release the game on a dieing console? Sony keeps releasing games on the Playstation 2, and not on the Playstation 3. Not only that, but almsot all of Sony's exclusives are going to the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. Sony needs games, yet Sony themselves seem to be ignoring the console, by releasing more games on the Playstation 2. Then again, most consoles do survive for about a year or so after the next generation hits, but still, Playstation 3 is lacking games.

And one more big slap in the face for the Playstation 3. Does anyone know about that new Crash Bandicoot game callled "Crash of the Titans?" Of course most of you don't. I don't. Crash went bad after the Naughty Dog games. Crash 1, 2, and 3 are one of the best selling games out there, yet this new Crash game, is almost invisible, and doesn't look like a good game at all.

Anyways, the game is being released on the Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, and Playstation Portable. Oh, it seems that I missed a console. Then again, if I mentioned that the game was going to be out for the Playstation 3, I would be lieing. Crash Bandicoot grew up on the Playstation, yet he hits the Xbox 360 and Wii, and not the Playstation 3. Sony's mascot doesn't even set foot on the Playstation 3. If that isn't an insult, then I don't know what is. In fact, that's more than one insult right there. I'll list all of the insults right now:

1. Crash, Sony's mascot, grew up on the Playstation, and poked his nose in other consoles such as the Wii and Xbox 360. He grows up on the Playstation, yet does not debut on the Playstation 3, but instead on other consoles.

2. Crash is going to the Playstation 2, a console that should have died, and not the Playstation 3. I mean, they could have planned to release it for both. I mean, the game is coming to the Gameboy Advance, a portabel that was replaced by the Nintendo DS, yet no Playstation 3?

3. The game looks awful. How could Sony's mascot sink so deep?

4. Radical Entertainment must be the 5th devoloper to make Crash Bandicoot. It seems that nobody want to keep him.

Well, enough about Crash. He had his fame, like Sonic, and he has died, like Sonic. Mario is the only one that kept it true all of these years.

Anyways, God of War looked amazing. I found it hard to believe that it was a Playstation 2 game. The console itself existed while Sega was still in the game. Amazing... Even the Playstation 2 is beating the Playstation 3, just like everybody else. Apparently, the Super Nintendo was selling more on Amazon than the Playstation 3 at one, or a few times.



wow, couldn't you condense everything into one post so it would be readable?



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

You do realize there are like 45 million more PS2s than PS3s in the USA? If it weren't for the PS2, Sony would be losing $ billions more than they already are. The PS2 is far from dead as a money maker.