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I live in the united states and most everybody is all about the guns. I personally have mixed emotions about guns. I think people have the right to own them,but then you hear about all of these mass shootings all the time. I also hear about shootings in general all the time in the news. I think there should be mental health background checks,while purchasing any kind of gun. That's just my opinion though. I hear people say that if someone shoots me,that I'm going to shoot back. If I had a gun,it would be real hard for me to shoot someone if they broke into my apartment,for example. I don't think I could live with myself if I killed someone,no matter how evil they were. This won't happen,but should they just ban all guns in North America? I'm always torn on this issue and just don't really know what to think. Thoughts?



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I'm not American, so all I can do is speculate. But I would have a feeling that guns are so ingrained in American culture that if they were banned there would be a massive black market of gun smugglers and distributors, kinda like prohibition era. People might even start producing their own guns like they did booze, and they would be even more unsafe than regular guns.



A gun ban will not be possible. At least not within the next 50 years. The hardcore conservatives have to die out first.

Putting heavy restrictions on guns will always have a positive effect. I don't think anyone has a right to own a gun, like I don't think anyone has the right to own anthrax. Someone did a stupid mistake when founding the country so everyone has to live with it now.



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guns are here to stay.



vivster said:
A gun ban will not be possible. At least not within the next 50 years. The hardcore conservatives have to die out first.

Putting heavy restrictions on guns will always have a positive effect. I don't think anyone has a right to own a gun, like I don't think anyone has the right to own anthrax. Someone did a stupid mistake when founding the country so everyone has to live with it now.


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thranx said:
vivster said:
A gun ban will not be possible. At least not within the next 50 years. The hardcore conservatives have to die out first.

Putting heavy restrictions on guns will always have a positive effect. I don't think anyone has a right to own a gun, like I don't think anyone has the right to own anthrax. Someone did a stupid mistake when founding the country so everyone has to live with it now.


Chicago says hi

I don't get it.



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vivster said:
thranx said:
vivster said:
A gun ban will not be possible. At least not within the next 50 years. The hardcore conservatives have to die out first.

Putting heavy restrictions on guns will always have a positive effect. I don't think anyone has a right to own a gun, like I don't think anyone has the right to own anthrax. Someone did a stupid mistake when founding the country so everyone has to live with it now.


Chicago says hi

I don't get it.

do some research on gun control in the US and you will. Chicago has the highest gun death rate, and the most harsh gun control laws.



I was going to make a thread for this, but i will leave it here

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/28/screenplay-too-ridiculous-hollywood-4-dems-arrested-or-raided-fbi-recent-days

 

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In the past few days, four Democratic lawmakers have been arrested or raided by the FBI.

California State Senator Leland Yee (D), an outgoing gun control advocate, was arrested for conspiring to traffic in illegal guns in exchange for campaign donations.  The weapons were allegedly coming from Russia and an Islamic terrorist organization in the Philippines.

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Yee is accused of trafficking up to $2.5 million worth of automatic weapons, including shoulder-fired rocket launchers. The probe began when the feds went after Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow, a reputed gangster who ran a Chinese criminal organization.

Meantime, Charlotte Mayor Patrick Cannon (D) resigned after his arrest on corruption charges. He is accused of accepting more than $48K in cash, airline tickets, hotel rooms and an apartment from undercover FBI agents."


One of the reasons I am for owning guns is that the government has been abusing its powers and stepping out of the constitution more and more every year. it also doesn't help that the same politicians who want to take our guns, also want to keep their own guns, and create a black market on which to make money. Guns are needed more today than in the past due to the overwhelming threat our goverment is to us should they continue on a path that disregards the constittion and basically enables mob rule whcih is the path we have been heading. I dont want a gun because I fear my neighbor, or criminals, I want a gun so the government fears me.



thranx said:
vivster said:
thranx said:
vivster said:
A gun ban will not be possible. At least not within the next 50 years. The hardcore conservatives have to die out first.

Putting heavy restrictions on guns will always have a positive effect. I don't think anyone has a right to own a gun, like I don't think anyone has the right to own anthrax. Someone did a stupid mistake when founding the country so everyone has to live with it now.


Chicago says hi

I don't get it.

do some research on gun control in the US and you will. Chicago has the highest gun death rate, and the most harsh gun control laws.

Sure because Chicago is a closed entity and it totally doesn't matter that you can get a gun anywhere else. Singular local gun restrictions don't do shit. Especially not in a country with such a gun culture. I've read up on the laws and they are still less restrictive than other countries.

The mindset has to change as well. Which will probably not happen anytime soon. The USA can change but it will take a lot of time. Gun regulation is one part of the process.



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vivster said:
thranx said:
vivster said:
thranx said:
vivster said:
A gun ban will not be possible. At least not within the next 50 years. The hardcore conservatives have to die out first.

Putting heavy restrictions on guns will always have a positive effect. I don't think anyone has a right to own a gun, like I don't think anyone has the right to own anthrax. Someone did a stupid mistake when founding the country so everyone has to live with it now.


Chicago says hi

I don't get it.

do some research on gun control in the US and you will. Chicago has the highest gun death rate, and the most harsh gun control laws.

Sure because Chicago is a closed entity and it totally doesn't matter that you can get a gun anywhere else. Singular local gun restrictions don't do shit. Especially not in a country with such a gun culture. I've read up on the laws and they are still less restrictive than other countries.

The mindset has to change as well. Which will probably not happen anytime soon. The USA can change but it will take a lot of time. Gun regulation is one part of the process.

Yes, and the US is a closed entity that cant have guns smuggled in from russia, mexico, and other countries. or did you not read the article I just posted? Guns will be a part of american culture for a very long time, and are only gaining more popularity with citizens, not less.

 

the problem with gun deaths in america is not the guns, but the gangs, and the funding they get from the sale of illegal drugs and black market items. legalize the drugs, remove the black markets, and you eremove the need for gangs and for gangs to have gang warefare.

 

Edit: I will add that the US is very different from European countries when it comes to border protection, in that we have none. Our southern border is a joke, and people daily come across illegaly, their is massive drug smuggling from the southern border, and until the government decides to fix that any change in domestic gun laws will only effect law abiding citezens. Guns will still be easy to buy on the street. If they do choose to defend the border, than gangs would loose the ability to have black markets in which to make money, and gun violence will once again drop and poeple will not care that we have guns any more.