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binary solo said:
So now where back to 1080p doesn't matter? It's hard to keep up with what's the latest "the power difference between Xb one and PS4 doesn't matter because...".

I don't even own an Xbone. I just don't see the big deal about 720p vs 1080p.



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How so many people get into debates about graphical differences amazes me. I, being a Nintendo fan, have long ago stopped caring more about graphics than I do gameplay and innovation. If Nintendo never released a new console and just continued to add games to the Wii u and software enhancements and peripherals and never another console with better graphics that would be fine with me. I'm content with modern graphics, I don't need more andfrankly Nintendo is more about art style than graphics anyway so new hardware doesn't even really make there games look that much better than precious gen games.



J_Allard said:
lt_dan_27 said:

Killzone sf is 1080p single player and multiplayer. People try throwing out 960x1080 I believe. Look at an interview with the producers of the game. It mostlly 1080p, but parts of the farame are in a lower resolution to keep performance up. It's pretty common in the gaming industry to do this to boost performance. Most people would just never comment on it. 
And no, res isn't the only thing in a game. As a hardcore PC gamer, I'm very aware of this. But the fac of the matter is, there's basically always a resolution increase between generations. Also, the number of pixels displayed on the screen makes a large difference on other things that can be displayed, like details and AA. 

I know the SP is 1080p, that's why I said MP. The MP is not 1080p. Or, if you want to talk semantics, it's not native 1080p. It tries to simulate a native 1080p image without pushing the pixels of a native 1080p image. And it does so using a technique that blurs the hell out of the screen when you move, which defeats the whole purpose of 1080p anyway. Either way, that was not the point. The point was lots of people praised the game and used its native 1080p60 MP bullet point as ammo for console wars, and these very people had no idea that the MP was neither 1080p or 60 frames per second. So what have we learned? Either the people making such a big deal about 1080p are full of bulsh, or most people cannot even tell the difference. Or, as a bonus, maybe both?

1080p games existed last gen, so there hasn't been any resolution increase yet, no matter which console you buy. I guess we'll finally enter next gen when 4K games start coming out. Until then lets wallow in our current stop gap gen technology :(

Did you stop reading after one sentence I posted? And first off, everyone knew that the mp wasn't 60 fps. It was just unlocked and was usuaually in the ballpark of 60fps. Here's the guerrilla response, 

http://bgr.com/2014/03/11/killzone-shadow-fall-1080p-response/

The reason people made such a big deal out of it was because they knew they could. If a problem isn't fixed seconds after what happens, that's what they'll believe. I bet if there were a similar thing with xbox games xbox fans would praise MS for their enginuity... oh wait,, they did. It's called tiled resources. They're not exactly the same at all, but they're both similar hat tricks. And I'm not saying either are bad, I'm saying the double standard annoys me. Would I rather have "full" 1080p? Yes, but you gotta do what you gotta do. 



Is knack 1080p? I Played it at jb hifi, and I honestly could not see the resolution difference between super mario 3d and knack,

Besides, I think performance matters more - i'd rather have 720p with a stable framerate and no technical bugs (like 3D world, DKC: TF), then a game with 1080p and shitty performance. Just my opinion.



kirby007 said:

since the launch of HD tellies and consoles prior to gen 8 only have a few games making that target

EDIT to clarify timetable

HDTV LAUNCH -------xbox360/ps3 below hd ghraphics still ------------- 4k monitors launch ------ Gen 8 --- 720p/1080p ew mah gewd


Will you people just get over yourselves?!  1080p should be the new standard for christ sakes.  Otherwise go play your PS2 because I am enjoying the present day and don't feel like being dragged down with you...



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Since we're allowed to post 'questionable' opinions in here. Here goes!

All games should be locked to 24fps as the human eye can't handle more than that :^)



While I find it jarring to go back to watching anything on old tube SDTVs, the "jump" from 720p/1080i HD (which is what 95% of HD television programs broadcast in) to 1080p is barely noticeable. Not to mention that most console games including many gen 8 games thus far aren't native 1080p, so it hardly makes a difference if your display is 1080p or not.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

no its not horrible, and its fine when not displaying on a native 1080p TV... 



Panama said:

Since we're allowed to post 'questionable' opinions in here. Here goes!

All games should be locked to 24fps as the human eye can't handle more than that :^)


ACTUALLY... The Human eye can discern more than that.

Remember, the Human eye does not see in terms of "framerates" anyway.

Movies are typically displayed at 24fps and they usually seem perfectly smooth.
However, there are some tricks that allows that to happen, namely, there is blurring between two frames so the transition doesn't look all that severe between frame transitions.
The minimum amount of "fps" that can seem perfectly smooth is roughly 18fps with movies... Try playing Call of Duty with 18fps, games generally don't blur frame transitions.

People, can and do notice the difference between 60fps and 120fps on a 120hz panel, just like how you can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps on a 60hz panel.

In regards to resolution, that's slightly different.
The human eye can only discern a set number of pixels depending on pixel size and distance, have a 720P monitor? Just sit back farther, it would then have the same amount of perceived pixels as a higher pixel density panel that you would sit closer to.

curl-6 said:
binary solo said:
So now where back to 1080p doesn't matter? It's hard to keep up with what's the latest "the power difference between Xb one and PS4 doesn't matter because...".

I don't even own an Xbone. I just don't see the big deal about 720p vs 1080p.


There isn't any big deal, both are horrible last-decade sub-1440P. xD




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Pemalite said:
Panama said:

Since we're allowed to post 'questionable' opinions in here. Here goes!

All games should be locked to 24fps as the human eye can't handle more than that :^)


ACTUALLY... The Human eye can discern more than that.

Remember, the Human eye does not see in terms of "framerates" anyway.

Movies are typically displayed at 24fps and they usually seem perfectly smooth.
However, there are some tricks that allows that to happen, namely, there is blurring between two frames so the transition doesn't look all that severe between frame transitions.
The minimum amount of "fps" that can seem perfectly smooth is roughly 18fps with movies... Try playing Call of Duty with 18fps, games generally don't blur frame transitions.

People, can and do notice the difference between 60fps and 120fps on a 120hz panel, just like how you can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps on a 60hz panel.

In regards to resolution, that's slightly different.
The human eye can only discern a set number of pixels depending on pixel size and distance, have a 720P monitor? Just sit back farther, it would then have the same amount of perceived pixels as a higher pixel density panel that you would sit closer to.

curl-6 said:
binary solo said:
So now where back to 1080p doesn't matter? It's hard to keep up with what's the latest "the power difference between Xb one and PS4 doesn't matter because...".

I don't even own an Xbone. I just don't see the big deal about 720p vs 1080p.


There isn't any big deal, both are horrible last-decade sub-1440P. xD

Lol.

Thank you for posting that, because I was afraid some people would agree with what I had posted.