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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 07 March 2014
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Why do they complain? They can buy a second XBOne and get their free game.

1st reasonable post I've seen all day.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

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J_Allard on 07 March 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

I was purposely vague about RROD vs PSN Hack because the difference is that MS knew about the failure rates before hand and still decided to go ahead, there was not much Sony could do to prevent PSN from being hacked through a security exploit, but they took the network down themselves to fix the problem, and gave people free games for it.

Like I said, continue to defend Microsoft's bullsh1t, its unfortunate that we can't count on them to improve the industry cause they are busy getting away with it.
Investments cost money, but they also give the most returns.

But I'm not even arguing about how bad MS is. I'm talking about how much tolerable their fan base is of what Xbox does. Xbox stopped being the underdog with the 360. Excuses are made for days. 


If Sony announced DRM in February, I can guarantee that the internet would be lit up in outrage. MS waited till preorders to flip their drm switches.

Until Xbox sells a console above 100 million, they haven't earned the right to be arrogant, so just because you can draw parallels to Sony (2005), you have to realize the underlying bullsh1t that's been there from the beginning.

Sorry but the DRM excuse is bullsh. Unless you're implying Sony had no idea that their security was so crappy (remember, the hackers actually mocked them for how shitty and simplistic it was). And in that case they are still equally as guilty simply due to ignorance and negligence. Either way it's irrelevant to what you said. Just think about it logically. What will you see a bigger shit storm about on the Internets, an issue with hardware that happened very early in the 360's life cycle (with a small userbase) in which ALL users are affected be it online or offline, versus PSN hack which only affected people who connect to the Internet and happened when PS3 had a much higher userbase?

You can continue to say whatever you want, I will continue to remind you that you're just stating an obvious "no duh" line of logic that applies to MS just as much as it applies to Sony and Nintendo. And the Internet was up in plenty of outrage when MS announced DRM. There was even this whole movement around it. And please, don't compare anyone to 2005 era Sony arrogance. The fact that the Xbone did a complete 180 from the reveal pretty much proves that's a load of bull.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 07 March 2014
J_Allard said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

I was purposely vague about RROD vs PSN Hack because the difference is that MS knew about the failure rates before hand and still decided to go ahead, there was not much Sony could do to prevent PSN from being hacked through a security exploit, but they took the network down themselves to fix the problem, and gave people free games for it.

Like I said, continue to defend Microsoft's bullsh1t, its unfortunate that we can't count on them to improve the industry cause they are busy getting away with it.
Investments cost money, but they also give the most returns.

But I'm not even arguing about how bad MS is. I'm talking about how much tolerable their fan base is of what Xbox does. Xbox stopped being the underdog with the 360. Excuses are made for days. 


If Sony announced DRM in February, I can guarantee that the internet would be lit up in outrage. MS waited till preorders to flip their drm switches.

Until Xbox sells a console above 100 million, they haven't earned the right to be arrogant, so just because you can draw parallels to Sony (2005), you have to realize the underlying bullsh1t that's been there from the beginning.

Sorry but the DRM excuse is bullsh. Unless you're implying Sony had no idea that their security was so crappy (remember, the hackers actually mocked them for how shitty and simplistic it was). And in that case they are still equally as guilty simply due to ignorance and negligence. Either way it's irrelevant to what you said. Just think about it logically. What will you see a bigger shit storm about on the Internets, an issue with hardware that happened very early in the 360's life cycle (with a small userbase) in which ALL users are affected be it online or offline, versus PSN hack which only affected people who connect to the Internet and happened when PS3 had a much higher userbase?

You can continue to say whatever you want, I will continue to remind you that you're just stating an obvious "no duh" line of logic that applies to MS just as much as it applies to Sony and Nintendo. And the Internet was up in plenty of outrage when MS announced DRM. There was even this whole movement around it. And please, don't compare anyone to 2005 era Sony arrogance. The fact that the Xbone did a complete 180 from the reveal pretty much proves that's a load of bull.

1. Its common knowledge that is impossible to make a hack proof network. Furthermore, there was no way they could've predicted the scale of the hack because the PS4 hadn't been invented yet, and as we all know, the ps4 is a time machine. But Microsoft knew exactly what they we're putting into those 360s.

2. What else did RRODers get other than a replacement console?

3. I didn't compare Xbox to Sony (2005) intially, sales did. I was just countering that MS has not seen the level of success that would warrant that kind of arrogance.

4. I never said that Xbox has done the worst things to the industry, just that Xbox Fans are the most tolerant of the Fanbases of their own systems, which is why Xbox thought they could get away with a lot of the sh1t they tried to pull.

5. The fact that they announced the policies at all publically without much clarification, and then basically confirmed many of the rumors, is indicative of a greater underlying problem that I have noticed creeping in since the transition from the OG to the 360.

6. Like I said, if the Xbox ever gets a majority marketshare close to that of the ps2, console consumers will be rendered into nothing but proliterait sheep.

And the slogan, we will cry will be:

Microsoft did X, why would I be mad?



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

S.T.A.G.E. on 07 March 2014

It is not very hard for Microsoft to piss off consumers. They've been doing it very well for quite a while now.



J_Allard on 07 March 2014

1. Ignorance does not absolve blame, especially in IT. That's simply not how it works.

2. What else should they have gotten?

3. And I'm just saying they have a long way to go before they hit Sony PS3 lead up levels of arrogance.

4. Or there are just less Xbox fans around the Internet so your theory is selective and flawed. The fans MS was trying to sell all those policies to, sure were vocal enough to make MS change their mind. Seems to completely obliterate your entire argument, idk.

5. No idea what the point of this one is. Should they have announced the policies via podcast or something? Idk.

6. Kind of like PC gamers? Oh wait that's another atom bomb to logic.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 08 March 2014

J_Allard said:
1. Ignorance does not absolve blame, especially in IT. That's simply not how it works.
You know what else has been hacked? Practically any thing of value connected to the internet.
2. What else should they have gotten?
The fact that you have to ask proves my point.
3. And I'm just saying they have a long way to go before they hit Sony PS3 lead up levels of arrogance.
Lets compare the PS3 at launch to the XB1:

PS3

 

  • 600 $
  • blu-ray player
  • backwards compatibility
  • free multiplayer
  • sixaxis controller
  • 3 prong ac cord
XB1
  • 500$
  • mandatory kinect
  • snap feature
  • skype (requires xbl)
  • multiplayer (requires xbl)
  • youtube/netflix (requires xbl)
  • propreitary xbl power brick
  • drm/always on
Where was the DRM and Always on for the PS4? Oh Wow they charged 100$ more than xbox one, dat arrogance. DRM annocement was just a simple mistake, even when we waited till preorders to 180, but that 599 U ES DOLLARS that's just unforgivable. {sarcasm}

 

4. Or there are just less Xbox fans around the Internet so your theory is selective and flawed. The fans MS was trying to sell all those policies to, sure were vocal enough to make MS change their mind. Seems to completely obliterate your entire argument, idk.
If you think MS changed their policies because of anything other than preorders, you're living in a fantasy.
5. No idea what the point of this one is. Should they have announced the policies via podcast or something? Idk.
Again your missing the point. The fact that they are the only ones that annouced DRM always on for consoles is indicative of the fact that they can get away with almost anything.
6. Kind of like PC gamers? Oh wait that's another atom bomb to logic.

PC gamers are the exact opposite of what I was describing, I don't understand how you could make that connection. Let me spell it out for you. If Xbox had majority marketshare, they could do whatever the hell they want and consumers will just take it smiling. Microsoft hates competition, and if they get on top nobody would stop them. DRM would be the least of our worries.

These people would rather defend Microsoft then their Xbox Brothers in Arms.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

oniyide on 08 March 2014

well this whole thing got turned up



Puppyroach on 08 March 2014

Haven´t MS been hadning out free games left and right since the launch, atleast in Europe? Both Fifa14 and Forza 5 were included in bundles if I remember correctly. Also, the writer of the article says that it is not a good thing for new adopters to get a free game, since it angers some early adopters? I don´t understand that logic at all :).

More free games MS! That is how you add value instead of lowering price!



Hurr1cane on 08 March 2014
loy310 said:
So do i get TF and F5 for free?
If so that is historically desperate, but also an amazing deal.
2 Games for free 4 months after launch.


No didn't the article say if u get the TF bundle u don't get F5. It's 1 OR the other.



binary solo on 08 March 2014

Well if they lived in Europe they would have got Fifa 14 for free from day 1. It's a shame MS didn't recognise their vulnerability in the USA otherwise they probably would have bundled a free game there too.



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