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starworld on 27 February 2014
Lyrikalstylez said:
Great, so is sony going to give us something free? If not is there a reason I should care?


you should be happy, there are only 3 consoles on the market, if you care about the best hardware at the best price, and the hardware that will make it much easier for developers to deliver there vision so we can get better games. the wii success believe it or not, was a big threat to console hardware getting huge upgrades, after all why invest in powerful hardware if the cheap hardware is gonna sell much better, just look at how if affected microsoft, there consoles were always beasts when it came to power, in the x1 they chose motion controls and thats why there console is much weaker, costing more then ps4 and as a result getting destroyed in sales.



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oniyide on 27 February 2014
Egann said:
oniyide said:
Seece said:

Oh god, give it a rest nobody cares.

Also, PS4 + XB1 are wildly ahead of PS3 + 360 in the same timeframe. It's only Nintendo that is down which leads to the assumption the whole industry is down.

As long as PS4 and Xb1 keep it up third parties will have the same userbase to appeal to as they did last gen.

They're already succeeding tho, Dead Rising a 3rd party exclusive over 1m on XB1, loads of third party games on PS4 and XB1 over 1m as well.

And if people want to celebrate, they can and will, don't force your opinions on people expecting them to feel bad about WiiU doing bad, most here don't care.

This, i find it funny how some Ninty fans are still trying to downplay the PS4, completly ignoring it had the biggest launch of any system. 

Fact, NINTY is the one responsible for the steep decline of the console market. Not Sony or MS as their consoles are actually doing good. 

There is no assumption some dont want to face that Ninty is the only that had a huge decline.


Interesting reading, but I'd disagree. When you compare new hardware sales to the sales of the predecessor in the same time frame (as opposed to adjusted in time of the generation) only one console has not faceplanted in sales right after launch; the PS4. The X1 is doing OK compared to the 360, but that's because the 360 is at the very bottom of the chart.

It's hardly a Nintendo trend when Microsoft and Sony both have a console and a handheld respectively following the same pattern. The only conclusion is that while developers were ready for new hardware, most consumers were not.

So yeah, hardware might be up compared to the same timeframe over last generation, but the way that's happening is really most telling. It says that the die-hard fanbases have really shown up in droves, but after that there's a drought before you can sell to a more discriminating consumer. It's probably not entirely fair to compare generation sales because the marketplace has done a lot of growing up over the last generation. 


thats fair, but that doesnt change the fact that the biggest decline HAS been with Ninty's home consoles. We have to use previous generations to determine a decline.



Sal.Paradise on 27 February 2014
Talal said:

I found this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=168911&page=1 

and this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158092&page=1

and this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=164065&page=1

Huge props to the people who predicted correctly all along.

Oh boy. There's gold in them there hills. 

On: PS4/XB1 will outsell Wii U by March 31

superchunk said:
Anyone who thinks this has spent zero time looking at sales histories and even less time reading the sales predictions MSony have stated for their consoles thus far.

Its simply an impossibility.

Earliest either could pass Wii U would be by the end of 2014. However, that would require Wii levels of sales which I seriously doubt either of them can accomplish. 2013 is not impossible, just improbable.
Viper1 said:

Logical reason?  You cannot ask for that which does not exist.

I have no doubt both will pass the Wii U in due time but likely not before the fall/winter of 2014.    By March would simply require cirumstances that aren't based on current knowledge, historical trends, expectations and good old logic.
Zero999 said:

by march 31, wii u total sales will be higher than ps4+xone total sales by a good margin.
DucksUnlimited said:

It's not even remotely possible. Even holiday 2014 is a stretch. The Wii U's biggest issue is software, which by this holiday it will have remedied. It'll never come close to Wii numbers, but it should have at least a few million lead over the PS4 by March 2014.
JWeinCom said:
*holy balls massive wall of text and numbers that im not copying* - sallyp

So, no it's not happening. And my advice to the TC would be, don't worry if some dumb people on the internet think it will.
Shadow1980 said:

...Since the PS4 will likely far outsell the XBO in terms of global sales, it will be the first to pass the Wii U. I'm thinking sometime in mid to late 2016.... 

...By March 31, 2016, the Wii U would be somewhere between 35-42 million, with the PS4 sitting at around the same level at 36-39 million...

...As for the XBO, I think it will track about 50% better than the 360 over its life, with a similar sales curve, peaking around 2018 or 2019. It will thus likely meet or pass the Wii U's LTD sales by 2018.... Just give me a minute to whip up a chart to put this all in visual form.

EDIT: Okay. Here we go. Note that the year is by Japanese fiscal year, so "2013" in the chart ends March 31, 2013.

.

edit: looks like thread was bumped a day ago, still posting :D

On: When will the PS4 pass Wii U in lifetime sales?

RolStoppable said:
2015 or later.

The Wii U is a moving target and the PS4 isn't going to have Wii-like success. It took the Wii until August 2007 to outsell the 360. While it's possible that the Wii U will track behind the 360 and thus lower the bar, it's guaranteed that the PS4 won't match the pace of the Wii.

Approximately 60% of the people who voted in the poll are either blinded by bias or were trolling.
JWeinCom said:
Wii U should be in the neighborhood of 6-8 million by the time those launch. Based on a couple of factors (potential shortages, price, software lineup, audience, etc) I actually think Nintendo has a decent chance of outselling the other two consoles over the holiday. Nintendo should have a lead of 7-10ish million by next year, which will kind of take a while to erode at if they can at all.

The only way I really see the PS4 or 720 catching the Wii U is if one of the two consoles completely collapse leaving the other uncontested control of the COD market. But I don't really see that happening. So....

Never.

edit: wow, Turkish! Oh ye of little faith!

Turkish said:

125 weeks for PS4 so in 2016, I think WiiU will have a turnaround next year, it'll sell more than PS4 next year but with a pricecut in holidays 2015 PS4 outrun the WiiU and never look back.

 

This is about outselling wiiu right?


chocoloco on 27 February 2014

Looks like Rol and Super chunk are the Michael Pachters of the site!

Superchunck is like the Nintendo/Arizona Cardinals cheerleader with pom poms.



oniyide on 27 February 2014
Sal.Paradise said:
Talal said:

I found this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=168911&page=1 

and this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158092&page=1

and this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=164065&page=1

Huge props to the people who predicted correctly all along.

Oh boy. There's gold in them there hills. 

On: PS4/XB1 will outsell Wii U by March 31

superchunk said:
Anyone who thinks this has spent zero time looking at sales histories and even less time reading the sales predictions MSony have stated for their consoles thus far.

Its simply an impossibility.

Earliest either could pass Wii U would be by the end of 2014. However, that would require Wii levels of sales which I seriously doubt either of them can accomplish. 2013 is not impossible, just improbable.
Viper1 said:

Logical reason?  You cannot ask for that which does not exist.

I have no doubt both will pass the Wii U in due time but likely not before the fall/winter of 2014.    By March would simply require cirumstances that aren't based on current knowledge, historical trends, expectations and good old logic.
Zero999 said:

by march 31, wii u total sales will be higher than ps4+xone total sales by a good margin.
DucksUnlimited said:

It's not even remotely possible. Even holiday 2014 is a stretch. The Wii U's biggest issue is software, which by this holiday it will have remedied. It'll never come close to Wii numbers, but it should have at least a few million lead over the PS4 by March 2014.
JWeinCom said:
*holy balls massive wall of text and numbers that im not copying* - sallyp

So, no it's not happening. And my advice to the TC would be, don't worry if some dumb people on the internet think it will.
Shadow1980 said:

...Since the PS4 will likely far outsell the XBO in terms of global sales, it will be the first to pass the Wii U. I'm thinking sometime in mid to late 2016.... 

...By March 31, 2016, the Wii U would be somewhere between 35-42 million, with the PS4 sitting at around the same level at 36-39 million...

...As for the XBO, I think it will track about 50% better than the 360 over its life, with a similar sales curve, peaking around 2018 or 2019. It will thus likely meet or pass the Wii U's LTD sales by 2018.... Just give me a minute to whip up a chart to put this all in visual form.

EDIT: Okay. Here we go. Note that the year is by Japanese fiscal year, so "2013" in the chart ends March 31, 2013.

.

edit: looks like thread was bumped a day ago, still posting :D

On: When will the PS4 pass Wii U in lifetime sales?

RolStoppable said:
2015 or later.

The Wii U is a moving target and the PS4 isn't going to have Wii-like success. It took the Wii until August 2007 to outsell the 360. While it's possible that the Wii U will track behind the 360 and thus lower the bar, it's guaranteed that the PS4 won't match the pace of the Wii.

Approximately 60% of the people who voted in the poll are either blinded by bias or were trolling.
JWeinCom said:
Wii U should be in the neighborhood of 6-8 million by the time those launch. Based on a couple of factors (potential shortages, price, software lineup, audience, etc) I actually think Nintendo has a decent chance of outselling the other two consoles over the holiday. Nintendo should have a lead of 7-10ish million by next year, which will kind of take a while to erode at if they can at all.

The only way I really see the PS4 or 720 catching the Wii U is if one of the two consoles completely collapse leaving the other uncontested control of the COD market. But I don't really see that happening. So....

Never.

edit: wow, Turkish! Oh ye of little faith!

Turkish said:

125 weeks for PS4 so in 2016, I think WiiU will have a turnaround next year, it'll sell more than PS4 next year but with a pricecut in holidays 2015 PS4 outrun the WiiU and never look back.

 

This is about outselling wiiu right?


we might have a crow shortage around here LMAO



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mikeslemonadeFromN4G on 27 February 2014

The way this forum message board is setup is lame. It's hard for me to brag about things like "Told ya so". Wish they allowed us to comment on the actual chart update.

Anyway impressive indeed. Sales would be higher if it was less supply constrained.



Mummelmann on 27 February 2014
chocoloco said:

Looks like Rol and Super chunk are the Michael Pachters of the site!

Superchunck is like the Nintendo/Arizona Cardinals cheerleader with pom poms.


Did Pachter ever predict anything as ridiculous as the Wii selling three times as much as the PS3 and 360 combined?



chocoloco on 27 February 2014
Mummelmann said:
chocoloco said:

Looks like Rol and Super chunk are the Michael Pachters of the site!

Superchunck is like the Nintendo/Arizona Cardinals cheerleader with pom poms.


Did Pachter ever predict anything as ridiculous as the Wii selling three times as much as the PS3 and 360 combined?

Hence,  why they are wearing skirts and bras as part of their cheerleading dou act.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 27 February 2014

great news. keep up the PlayStation nation domination.



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Fusioncode on 27 February 2014
Aielyn said:
OK, now that there are actual numbers, you can make the claim that, based on VGChartz numbers, PS4 has overtaken Wii U. I still have an issue with the guy who declares VGChartz numbers to be false when they're positive for the Wii U using the same source as solid evidence when it supports the idea that Wii U is doing badly. But that's a discussion for another day.

I'm pleased that the PS4 is doing moderately well. It saddens me, though, that the videogame industry is clearly in decline based on the current figures - hence why I can only actually say "moderately well" regarding the PS4. This is most evident in Japan, where the so-called land of the handheld is seeing maybe 50k per week in handheld sales when a year ago it was seeing 100k+, and even in early 2011 with no new handhelds on the market it was managing a healthy 80k. And the PS4, which was meant to be a blockbuster launch, and which reports suggest aren't really supply-restricted (outside of Tokyo, apparently), only managed to sell around the same as the Wii U did at launch, and less than either the Wii or the PS2 (the latter of which outsold it by around 100%).

Worldwide, things aren't much better. The industry is starting to fail too much, with the ramp-up in development costs and the reduction in purchases (hardware and software), I'm worried that we'll be seeing even more major studio closures in the next few years, unless something happens.

I think part of the problem is the lack of innovation in games themselves. And all developers, including Nintendo, are to blame on this point. All three hardware makers have had new features added to their systems... but none of them have really made proper use of them, instead relegating most of their use to gimmicky purposes. Third parties have done even worse. It speaks volumes that the most innovative company at the moment is Ubisoft... and their big innovations have mostly been "hey, we're making a game kind of like Person of Interest" and "hey, our new Assassin's Creed is set on the ocean".

Even Nintendo has dropped the ball quite a bit. There's so much they could have done with Wiimote controls. There's so much they could do with the Upad. There's so much they could do with the 3DS... but they appear to have become a little too safe in their approach, failing to really bring things comparable to that of Wii Sports, Wii Fit, or even Wii Music. The only real risk they've taken is Wonderful 101, and they failed to really push that title.

I'm sure some comparable things could be said about Sony and MS, but I don't know enough in those cases to say with certainty.


Let me put it another way - PS4 has overtaken Wii U. Not because of the strength of the PS4, but because of the weakness of the Wii U. It's really not something for anybody to truly celebrate about, just as the guy who earns $5000 a year shouldn't be celebrating their huge income by comparing themselves to someone who earns $2000 a year.

This industry isn't doomed because Nintendo screwed up. If my prediction is right then I expect around 100m for PS4 and 60m for XBO. That would put it at roughly the same userbase as PS3+360. This gen didn't decline, it was artificially inflated last time by most of the Wii's userbase. The core gaming audience will stay the same.

Buy yes console gaming is fucked in Japan. We've known about that for a while with the audience shiting mostly to handhelds and mobile. Sucks but true. 



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