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Mr Puggsly on 24 February 2014
Carl2291 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The negative spin is saying MS is screwing people over.


They will be doing unless they offer some kind of "Ambassador" plan, like Nintendo did with 3DS after the early cut.

They hyped up the console as being worth the price, with Titanfall coming really soon into the lifecycle. They advertised Titanfall since Day 1. Titanfall has been selling systems since Day 1. Turns out, any Brit could have held off for less than 5 Months and saved £80.

This is screwing over early adopters who wanted Titanfall.

Offering free content to those who have the X1 prior to the new bundle would be great, but they don't owe it. That's the price of instant gratification.

Many games released during the holiday can be found for $40 or less. Did the publisher screw you for wanting instant gratification? No.


"They hyped the console for being worth the price." Wow, great argument. I think that's is for consumers to decide, no?

If the Brits hold out for a few years they can get the X1 and Titanfall significantly cheaper. Those who feel screwed should consider that as well.


Selling more consoles is best for X1 userbase period. So turning this into MS screwed people is dumb. Its costing MS money to even offer this.



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selnor1983 on 24 February 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
selnor1983 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
selnor1983 said:
Nadwki said:

I was actually aiming for a bit of light hearted sarcasm. As in you play an X1 game and if it's 1080p you get an achievement for it because it's so rare. Guess my warped sense of humor missed the mark. Still I only wanted to have a bit of fun because what selnor is going on about 'tiling tech' is not total fantasy but based in reality and fact. Is this this coming to the X1? If so time will tell if it get's it to output consistently at 1080p.  Still the PS4 SDK is not going to stand still, advancements will also be made and a power gap will remain. 

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I think the intial problem was not what effects etc that the Xbox One xould handle or do. It was that they either had to reduce the resolution and have same effects or take out effects and keep resolution due to nothing more than small 32 mb ESRAM. The SDK didnt allow for the developers to easily utilise Tiling on the ESRAM. Causing longer development and harder coding/programming just to reach the same results as the PS4. As a result deadlines were looming and it was easier to just drop the resolution instead of having to write very different codes to the PS4 development.

Thats evident by Ryse ( It was 1080p, but dropped to 900p ). What the new SDK has brought with it is inbuilt into the development kit software is the tiling programming or code for ESRAM. Essentially although not a new technique, it is a new technique in regards to console gaming. And very effective with Ram as fast as ESRAM. Its essentially smarter programming. And probably the reason MS opted for this approach instead of GDDR5. As its more cost effective, but can still produce the games in 1080p. Its a shame the SDK fell behind ( Which also points to the stories that MS wasnt actually going to release in 2013 ) and the numerous developers around launch saying that it wasnt that Xbox One couldnt do 1080p, but rather that the SDK was just horrible. Infinity Ward stated that Ghosts would easily run at 1080p on Xbox One, but the SDK was just a pain in the backside to work with. Even MS sent MGS teams out to 3rd parties to help get the launch games running on the Xbox One. Just running.

Forza 5 is 1080p/60 fps, but there is effects and stuff clearly downgraded from E3. Purely down to the ESRAM and lack of SDK. The next Forza will look better than the E3 stuff, as the full 1080p image, effects and textures will now be entirely done on the ESRAM with the new Tiling techniques that have been fully designed by MS themselves so developers dont have to worry about coding for it.

IMO MS did really well to release Xbox One this year by all acounts. They were behind Sony in all aspects of SDK, and they managed to pull it off.

Xbox One is fine power wise, and there will be next to no difference between titles like The Order 1886/Quantum Break in graphics and 1080p. Or Uncharted 4 and Halo 5. MS just had way more than Sony to get ready for Xbox One what with Kinect 2.0 and the multimedia side as well as the SDK for games.

So much spin and denial here. The SDK is not magic, hardware is not magic...Hardware is hardware. I like how you totally ignore te biggest bottleneck with x1, the GPU. No amount of ESRAM is going to make up for 40% more shader and compute power. The gap is always going to be there, there never will be parity. You are just spewing things you saw others on mistermediaX's blog and xbox forums, without any knowledge of the tech.

Having a higer end GPU cannot be masked by drivers or sdk. The unified fast GGDDR 5 os ps4 is just icing on the cake for developers.

 

There will be big differences between ps4 exclusives and multiplats as we have seen.

There is no denial or spin. Its a fact. Its not the same as PC development. Even before this latest SDK got rolled out this month, developers were complaining like mad at how bad the SDK was on Xbox One. It was common knowledge. But most missed it because they wanted it to be power related. So many devs in November said it was SDK, but those comments got ignored. Now the SDK gets the update they were all wanting and needing, some people are still being completely ignorant. The hardware in Xbox One is different. Confirmed by ALL devs in the last 6 months. And the SDK was trash, again confirmed by ALL devs.

If I and the developers are wrong and the opposing fanboys rants are right the 2nd wave of titles using the new SDK for Xbox One will be 720p on Xbox while 1080p on PS4.

I guess we will have to revisit this around titles releasing this Christmas and early next year ( Im guessing those titles will be able to take advantage of the new SDK ) where DF will show 1080p/60fps on both machines.

I have all along only ever used developer comments in my arguements, as they have first hand with both machines. Not trying to throw some numbers around that actually mean very little with full knowledge of the system.

Laughably dilusional./.. Hardware IS numers and easily measured. It is FACT, the ps4 gpu is a lot more powerfull, sony's SDK, drivers, overhead will also improve, the gap will always remain fact. Many devs are just being diplomatic. Waht about Kojima, many other devs how stated the opposite? Tjhe proof s in the pudding, until games start coming out that are demanding and are identicval on both, nothing you say is factual.

 

Please explain how an SDk makes the x1 gpu 7790 as fast as the ps4 7870?

 

it is clear your tech knowledge is limited. You can use these numbers to compare as everythign else in the  systesm is similar architecture, and a system is only as fast as it's slowest part, it's called bottleneck.

 

Build a PC or console with the worlds fastest ram, cpu but a weak gpu, games will only run as well as the weak GPU allows.  It's why in the PC world, when you upgrade your GPU, if your CPU is slow, they recommend upgrading your CPU as well to avoid a bottleneck. This is where ps4 is better then x1, it has no bottleneck like a slow GPU and cumbersome esram.

Theres going to be so many people backtracking when PS4 isnt killing in visuals from xmas 2014 onwards. Hell apart from some res stuff, its arguably Ryse thats the best looking game till Infamous 2nd son drops.

Again, Ill listen to the developers of the last 6 months thanks.



riecsou on 24 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
riecsou said:


That is why MS will always be in trouble with fan like yourself. Everything MS does is good, it's perfect... And when the sales come in MS goes like "But I thought our fans told us they were with us, that they liked the way we were going, that they like the price of the Xbox One, that they liked kinect, resolution doesn't matter..."

It's ok to critisize MS with Xbox One. That will make for a better Xbox One for both you and future buyers.

Its not so cut and dry. Pretty much all my Sony friends already ditched PS3 and have PS4. But my Xbox friends havent all done that. 5 of them waited for Titanfall to purchase the system. Its not that they abandoned MS at all, but rather waited as that the game they wanted. Why? Because they are online gamers with shooters. And they have been playing Ghosts on 360 and Halo 4. They looked at the launch and went right, Titanfall is when Ill drop. Gives tham 5 more moths to save and is gonna be one kick arse first game to own.

I doubt many previous 360 gamers have rushed out and got PS4 instead. My 360 friends from last gen HATE KZ ( they think its a pretty average shooter ) and would never give up Gears Of War and Halo just to buy PS4 to play BF4 or Ghosts on launch of new gen consoles.

I still believe the PS4 sales are just Sony fans of old that jumped straight away due to the price of PS4. Not 2 mill Xbox 360 gamers who jumped ship.


When you say it like that it really doesn't make you look  as a fan boy. Sorry for quickly labeling you. But there are fan boys on both side and me sometimes I myself will sound as a fan boy if I were to engage a discussion with a fan boy that I would consider too extreme.



selnor1983 on 24 February 2014
chapset said:
This pretty much sums up why competition is good for gaming and why people hoping for the ''enemy'' company to go bankrupt will only be hurting themselves. Also Lol at people arguing with Selnor, you guys never learn


They are actually arguing with developers from the last 6 months. Not me. Im just listening to those developers. But hey thats the internet. Dont worry it doesnt bother me. It makes me laugh. It reminds me when fanboys said PS3 was 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 because the numbers showed Cell 5x more  powerful than Xenon.



Fusioncode on 24 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Sales will be super interesting for the next few weeks in uk and ww. Also PS4 to XBONE ratio was about 3:1 last week, so this should be enough to beat it at least for a week.


I doubt overall though. PS4 is available in ALOT more countries. But I do expect Xbox One to beat PS4 in the countries Xbox One is released in. Maybe not a few small EU sales countries like Spain. But UK and US Xbox One will own for the rest of the year.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh Selnor, one day you need to realize that not everyone in the world is as excited for Titanfall as you. There some people who like different games. One game is not going to suddenly make the XBO start outselling the PS4 in the UK and US where it is currently being slaughtered. Especially a game that most people will buy on 360 anyways.

And just accept the fact that the PS4 is more powerful and games will continue to look better on it for the rest of the gen. Everyone else has. 



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Fusioncode on 24 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
chapset said:
This pretty much sums up why competition is good for gaming and why people hoping for the ''enemy'' company to go bankrupt will only be hurting themselves. Also Lol at people arguing with Selnor, you guys never learn


They are actually arguing with developers from the last 6 months. Not me. Im just listening to those developers. But hey thats the internet. Dont worry it doesnt bother me. It makes me laugh. It reminds me when fanboys said PS3 was 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 because the numbers showed Cell 5x more  powerful than Xenon.

You keep saying this but you haven't provided a single decent sourse for any of your claims. Stop insulting people and actually show us some evidence. 



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kirby007 on 24 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
selnor1983 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Sales will be super interesting for the next few weeks in uk and ww. Also PS4 to XBONE ratio was about 3:1 last week, so this should be enough to beat it at least for a week.


I doubt overall though. PS4 is available in ALOT more countries. But I do expect Xbox One to beat PS4 in the countries Xbox One is released in. Maybe not a few small EU sales countries like Spain. But UK and US Xbox One will own for the rest of the year.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh Selnor, one day you need to realize that not everyone in the world is as excited for Titanfall as you. There some people who like different games. One game is not going to suddenly make the XBO start outselling the PS4 in the UK and US where it is currently being slaughtered. Especially a game that most people will buy on 360 anyways.

And just accept the fact that the PS4 is more powerful and games will continue to look better on it for the rest of the gen. Everyone else has. 

a generation is long, you sure you stick with that what you said in bolded?



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selnor1983 on 24 February 2014
riecsou said:
selnor1983 said:
riecsou said:
 


That is why MS will always be in trouble with fan like yourself. Everything MS does is good, it's perfect... And when the sales come in MS goes like "But I thought our fans told us they were with us, that they liked the way we were going, that they like the price of the Xbox One, that they liked kinect, resolution doesn't matter..."

It's ok to critisize MS with Xbox One. That will make for a better Xbox One for both you and future buyers.

Its not so cut and dry. Pretty much all my Sony friends already ditched PS3 and have PS4. But my Xbox friends havent all done that. 5 of them waited for Titanfall to purchase the system. Its not that they abandoned MS at all, but rather waited as that the game they wanted. Why? Because they are online gamers with shooters. And they have been playing Ghosts on 360 and Halo 4. They looked at the launch and went right, Titanfall is when Ill drop. Gives tham 5 more moths to save and is gonna be one kick arse first game to own.

I doubt many previous 360 gamers have rushed out and got PS4 instead. My 360 friends from last gen HATE KZ ( they think its a pretty average shooter ) and would never give up Gears Of War and Halo just to buy PS4 to play BF4 or Ghosts on launch of new gen consoles.

I still believe the PS4 sales are just Sony fans of old that jumped straight away due to the price of PS4. Not 2 mill Xbox 360 gamers who jumped ship.


When you say it like that it really doesn't make you look  as a fan boy. Sorry for quickly labeling you. But there are fan boys on both side and me sometimes I myself will sound as a fan boy if I were to engage a discussion with a fan boy that I would consider too extreme.

How does this make me look a fanboy? PS4 is a real cheap launch price. And PS3 owners are more likely to drop at launch with tat price and few  games than Xbox owners with a higher price. Why not wait to see Titanfalls numbers. Its my opinion about the sales. Baased on pricing. No need to use naming in your posts.

EDIT. SOrry I just realised you said it didnt make me look a fanboy. ROFL. I cant read. ;/



sully1311 on 24 February 2014

Is Selnor misterxmedia?



Fusioncode on 24 February 2014
kirby007 said:
Fusioncode said:
selnor1983 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Sales will be super interesting for the next few weeks in uk and ww. Also PS4 to XBONE ratio was about 3:1 last week, so this should be enough to beat it at least for a week.


I doubt overall though. PS4 is available in ALOT more countries. But I do expect Xbox One to beat PS4 in the countries Xbox One is released in. Maybe not a few small EU sales countries like Spain. But UK and US Xbox One will own for the rest of the year.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh Selnor, one day you need to realize that not everyone in the world is as excited for Titanfall as you. There some people who like different games. One game is not going to suddenly make the XBO start outselling the PS4 in the UK and US where it is currently being slaughtered. Especially a game that most people will buy on 360 anyways.

And just accept the fact that the PS4 is more powerful and games will continue to look better on it for the rest of the gen. Everyone else has. 

a generation is long, you sure you stick with that what you said in bolded?

Happily. 



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