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Forums - Gaming - A quick take on MS's E3 and the Kinect as a peripheral

Sevengen on 19 February 2014
Xenostar said:
Sevengen said:
Xenostar said:
Sevengen said:
Xenostar said:
Its a peripheral

All parts of xbox one are accessible and currently all games work perfectly fine without it, There is 1 game coming up soon kinect sports that needs it, but its still just a game that if your not interested in you still wont need a kinect.

Your innovation always wins statement is rediculous, many many things are invented and discarded if they dont server a necessary purpose or improve on the way something previously worked.

Voice commands will one day no doubt be something we all live with, but they will work on natural language not predefined phrases and will work 100% of the time. This tech does not need an expensive camera tho just a mic.

3D body tracking is what kinects real stand out function is and its launched with NO games.


Xenostar... back in the day, before the Sega Saturn made launching a console with only one controller an industry standard.. most systems came with two controllers and a pack in game. Was that second controller a peripheral?, even though it may not have been needed to play the system?


Heres the google definition of a peripheral in relation to computers

"(of a device) able to be attached to and used with a computer, though not an integral part of it."

If i unplug Kinect does the Xbox One still work with games being playable, if the answers is "YES" its a periperal.

The keywork in the definition is "Integral" meaning cant work without it.

You can't play any console game without some type of controller input... so by your own acceptance of the definition above, the Kinect is NOT a peripheral as you can't play certain games without it.
Now, you don't have to buy any games that require it and end up leaving it sitting on a shelf somewhere, but that's no different than a second controller you never use.
Neither one can be considered peripherals as they're both integral to operating the console at some point.
I have an Xbox 360 remote which I sometimes use to operate the system, without ever touching the controller that came with the Xbox when I purchased it. Does that make my original controller a peripheral?
Of course not.

See, you're one of the type I mentioned in the OP. A gamer that can't wrap his head around the fact that the Kinect is not a peripheral. You simply choose to see it that way because is suits your argument.
It's not a peripheral. I'll say it again:
it's an alternative controller for the system, included in every box.
The system was designed to use standard controller input AND motion input, so it's obviously an integral part of the system, whether you choose to see it that way or not.


No i proved what i meant by definition of the word peripheral, your just rambling to prove something that isnt true. 

Just because its possible to argue that both the pad and the kinect are controllers, does not mean that both are integral to the device.

By your logic Lightguns, steering wheels, eyetoys are also not peripherals just because they can control the computer. 

But because something CAN it does not mean its INTEGRAL, therefore if its not integral it is a PERIPHERAL.

alright, decent enough points, but...... do any of those things you listed come packed with every system from day one?
No.
and that would be why 'those' are considered peripherals and in my opinion the Kinect should not.
The Xbox One was designed to use the Kinect, it's included with every system sold.
Not a peripheral.
We just disagree. Peace.



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Xenostar on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:

alright, decent enough points, but...... do any of those things you listed come packed with every system from day one?
No.
and that would be why 'those' are considered peripherals and in my opinion the Kinect should not.
The Xbox One was designed to use the Kinect, it's included with every system sold.
Not a peripheral.
We just disagree. Peace.


You can argue its very important to MS vision, and would be nice if MS would start to share more of that vision with us.

But you cant argue its a peripheral unless you first change the definition of the word Peripheral. 

But of course feel free to be excited about it and talk about the stuff it can do and what its going to do in the future, but dont try and argue black is white.



Exile1987 on 19 February 2014

Can you play the major software with kinect only? (Halo, GeoW, COD, Titanfall)

No you can't.

Would you want to?

No.



ArnoldRimmer on 19 February 2014

I agree with some of your arguments.

Xbox One without Kinect would be stupid, as Kinect is the only thing that gives the Xbone something special/unique. Remove Kinect, and you have... a console that costs the same as a PS4, but has pretty much only disadvantages in comparison to it.
PS4 has an interesting/unique peripheral as well - as stereoscopic camera, theoretically technically capable of doing anything Kinect can, and even things that Kinect cannot do. I still consider not shipping every PS4 with it a stupid idea by Sony!



ICStats on 19 February 2014

MS can go ahead and ignore what the majority is saying. It will only lead to worse sales of XB1.... better for us PS4 fans.



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ArnoldRimmer on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:

alright, decent enough points, but...... do any of those things you listed come packed with every system from day one?
No.
and that would be why 'those' are considered peripherals and in my opinion the Kinect should not.
The Xbox One was designed to use the Kinect, it's included with every system sold.
Not a peripheral.
We just disagree. Peace.

Sorry, Kinect is and remains a peripheral.

When it comes to computers for example, even keyboards, mice and monitors are considered peripherals, even though most computers are designed to use these devices and most computers ship with mouse and keyboard included. And even though some fucked up operating systems actually treat these devices as being mandatory for using the computer.

They're still peripherals, and I seriously wonder why you have such a problem with accepting that word. In my opinion, there's nothing negative about that word.



cmay227 on 19 February 2014
ICStats said:
MS can go ahead and ignore what the majority is saying. It will only lead to worse sales of XB1.... better for us PS4 fans.

This has got to be the dumbest statement, are you retarded? just asking, please explain how that is better for PS4 fans?



ArnoldRimmer on 19 February 2014
cmay227 said:
ICStats said:
MS can go ahead and ignore what the majority is saying. It will only lead to worse sales of XB1.... better for us PS4 fans.

This has got to be the dumbest statement, are you retarded? just asking, please explain how that is better for PS4 fans?

You didn't ask me, but:

If nothing else, It's better for PS4 fans because of its psychological effect. The current huge sales gap between PS4 and Xbox One gives PS4 owners the great feeling of having bought what is obviously the best console. while people who bought Xbox One will suffer from cognitive dissonance, giving them unconscious fears that they may have thrown 100$ out of the windows for a console that is actually inferior.

But there are other, more clear advantages that bad XB1 sales have for PS4 owners:

With bad XB1 sales, many video game developers will hesitate to make their game an Xbox One console exclusive title just because Microsoft is offering them shitloads of money to stop them from releasing a PS4 port.

With bad XBone sales, If the developers consider their own game to be bad or mediocre, they might still accept. But if they believe their own game to be a great game that will actually sell well, it would be a dumb idea to not release the game on what is easily the most successful console, and only release it on a console with a low market share. So: Bad Xbox One sales = Even more good PS4 games.



Sevengen on 19 February 2014
ArnoldRimmer said:
Sevengen said:

alright, decent enough points, but...... do any of those things you listed come packed with every system from day one?
No.
and that would be why 'those' are considered peripherals and in my opinion the Kinect should not.
The Xbox One was designed to use the Kinect, it's included with every system sold.
Not a peripheral.
We just disagree. Peace.

Sorry, Kinect is and remains a peripheral.

When it comes to computers for example, even keyboards, mice and monitors are considered peripherals, even though most computers are designed to use these devices and most computers ship with mouse and keyboard included. And even though some fucked up operating systems actually treat these devices as being mandatory for using the computer.

They're still peripherals, and I seriously wonder why you have such a problem with accepting that word. In my opinion, there's nothing negative about that word.

You seriously wonder why I have such a problem accepting that word???
Alright, fair being fair, than you have to agree with me wondering why you can't accept that it's not a peripheral.
Right?
I'm just as entitled to question your perception as you are mine... but here's the difference:
The entire system; the UI in general, was designed to use the Kinect as an alternative controller, it comes packed with every box, considering those facts the Kinect is NOT a peripheral but a secondary type controller that Microsoft chose to develop and include.
Peripherals as we actually define them are additional I/O devices that are purchased seperately and perform specific functions for the system. 

Xenostar wants to tell me about what's black and white, but as is the case with most every post in these forums, including my own, is that he's describing for me how 'he' sees things in black and white.. as are you.. and as am I.

You guys can continue to look at the Kinect for Xbox One as a peripheral, but I think the evidence that it isn't is more on my side of the court.
It's made to be an intergral part of the system, that can't be argued, is include with every Xbox One sold, that can't be argued.
Those two facts alone completely negate any disagreement about whether or not it's a peripheral.



BeElite on 19 February 2014

MS spent 100 million designing the x1 controller, to me that says plenty about this. Its a gimmick tackled on in hope of puling pew pew waggle casuals.

It has added nothing to my x1 gaming, what ever tech abilities it may have they are useless to my gaming. Hell i use Ps4 voice controls through the Gold hedset, so the hell do i need the gimmick x1 camera for ?