Shinobi I've been coming to this site for years and since the last E3 when Microsoft unveiled their evil plan for video game domination to the world, posting anything positive about the xbox on here is akin to poking a lion in the face with a short stick.
As far as as context, it was unnecessary as the opinion that the Kinect is a peripheral was widely accepted long before that article was written.
I get that you believe it is and really don't have a problem accepting that. Strict definitions notwithstanding, I see it differently and don't need much to argue my side."
Like I've been saying, I see it as an alternative main controller and I'm sure there's plenty of people that agree with that.

Unfortuantely, making it mandatory does the opposite. Reducing options reduces the appeal in favor of the adoption rate. Making it optional appeals to everyone who wants the kinect and doesn't want it, while making it mandatory excludes those who don't want it.

See, now that I understand the "background" that led you to writing this thread (that Polygon article), it all makes much more sense to me now, and I suddenly understand your behaviour.

So apparantly, you read an article that used a somewhat incorrect definition of the word "peripheral", and indeed used the word in a kind of "negative" way that can be understood as devalueing the usefulness etc. of the device.

So my impression (that for some reason you consider the word "peripheral" to have a negative touch, and are thus keen on proving that it's NOT a peripheral) was indeed correct.

But if someone (like me) is not aware of that recent Polygon article context, it can easily lead to confusion, as I just couldn't understand why you are so concerned about the question of Kinect being a "peripheral" or not.

That might be the case but thats not what happend in this thread for the majority of posts. I seriously dont give a shit about any of that.If you just assume everyone on the site is out to get you because you are pro MS thats you issue dont make it mine.

As for the context it definitely was necessary as both me and Arnold responded without the context. We might have replied completely differently with the context.

And yes i still do believe that Kinect is a "peripheral" in that sense, however i dont think MS should not bundle it and massively support and push it. Like you said not everything is black and white or something like that.

Same here...

see, this is where I get lost on how other people think... why wouldn't you want it as an option, unless you're so concerned about price you arbitrarily choose it's inclusion as the reason for not buying it. essentially blaming Kinect because you don't want to spend an extra $100 in comparison to the PS4 
As a counter argument:
Sony set the bar with their $399 price point, but let's say that $399 was simply too high an asking price for the current market and people were dissatisfied spending that much, I'm sure there would be plenty of posts dissecting what components Sony put into the box and questioning their necessity as in:
I don't want or need them to include a mic because that's just driving up the cost...
I don't need them to include an HDMI cord because that's just driving up the cost, a component cable is fine.
Every last one of them silly.
Point I'm trying to make is that the Kinect is taking a lot of heat for driving up the cost of the Xbox One.. but that's not a choice for people to make, or even a fair argument in my opinion.
You buy what a company sells.. don't want it... don't buy.
Microsoft decided to include the Kinect with every system. It drove up the cost, but it what it is and that's what they're offering. That people keep referring to the Kinect as a peripheral only helps to exacerbate a problem that really shouldn't exist.. that being that consumers feel they have a right to tell Microsoft what to package in the system and what not to. I know that sounds a little off because we tell companies every day what to sell and how by whether or not we choose to buy their products, but at the end of the day, you either buy into a companies vision or you don't.
If Microsoft comes in a far second to Sony this gen.. which is more than likely going to happen.. I don't think it matters much if they succeed on their own terms and get enough people to buy into their vision and make profits along the way.
I just think all the complaints about the Kinect are baseless. I think the Kinect is used as ammunition by those that really have no intention of buying an Xbox One either way, Kinect sku or not.
If Microsoft came out at $399 and decided to give the Kinect away as a mail-in rebate... I'm sure close to 100% would take that offer.
Same could be said about Sony and their camera.
So it's really about price.. and not the Kinet, which is why I wrote the OP in the first place.
People should stop bitching about it.

why would either you are arnold have responded differently?
the OP stands on it's own, regardless of any article that it may be in response to.
You both took exception to the fact that I don't believe the Kinect to be a peripheral.. that wouldn't have changed.
having read the article beforehand and then coming across my OP, you still would have disagreed, I still would have diagreed with your disagreement and Arnold would sitll have insulted me.. lol.

I really wish I hadn't gotten involved here. I disagree with OPs way of stating things.

We have both said that we would have responded differently. You are welcome to think otherwise but im outta here.

hmm. that's kind of a weird thing to say, not that you disagree with me, but with 'how' I state things.
care to elaborate?