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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Shinobi-san said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Sevengen said:

I didn't intend for this to turn into a clusterf#@ of logic and semantics, although I should have know better trying to post anything with a modicum of deference towards the Xbox One on this site.

I did write the OP after reading the article Vitro points out.

And I can certainly understand the opinion that the Kinect is a peripheral.

I just simply don't agree. I think it devalues what Microsoft is trying to do and furthermore, I appreciate their attempt at doing things a little differently.
I don't mind the xtra $100 because I see the benefits there.
Others don't... no worries either way.

Look its simple really.

What are Microsoft's Priorities with the Xbox One?

We can only surmize that with their decisions.

Thus, Until they reduce the price, they care more about there loss on sales rather than Kinect User Base.

And since this is a sale site, the common consesus will agree with the move that garners the most console sales.

KInect Userbase is more important than Xbox 1 sales to Microsoft, at least thats how it looks from here.

I think MS's priority is to make X1 appeal to a broad number of gamers. And the plan is to use Kinect to do this. So i guess they are thinking long term and not short term.

But like i said in a previous post MS needs to show the added value of Kinect. This needs to be done through Kinect specific games.

Unfortuantely, making it mandatory does the opposite. Reducing options reduces the appeal in favor of the adoption rate. Making it optional appeals to everyone who wants the kinect and doesn't want it, while making it mandatory excludes those who don't want it.


see, this is where I get lost on how other people think... why wouldn't you want it as an option, unless you're so concerned about price you arbitrarily choose it's inclusion as the reason for not buying it. essentially blaming Kinect because you don't want to spend an extra $100 in comparison to the PS4 
As a counter argument:
Sony set the bar with their $399 price point, but let's say that $399 was simply too high an asking price for the current market and people were dissatisfied spending that much, I'm sure there would be plenty of posts dissecting what components Sony put into the box and questioning their necessity as in:
I don't want or need them to include a mic because that's just driving up the cost...
I don't need them to include an HDMI cord because that's just driving up the cost, a component cable is fine.
Every last one of them silly.
Point I'm trying to make is that the Kinect is taking a lot of heat for driving up the cost of the Xbox One.. but that's not a choice for people to make, or even a fair argument in my opinion.
You buy what a company sells.. don't want it... don't buy.
Microsoft decided to include the Kinect with every system. It drove up the cost, but it what it is and that's what they're offering. That people keep referring to the Kinect as a peripheral only helps to exacerbate a problem that really shouldn't exist.. that being that consumers feel they have a right to tell Microsoft what to package in the system and what not to. I know that sounds a little off because we tell companies every day what to sell and how by whether or not we choose to buy their products, but at the end of the day, you either buy into a companies vision or you don't.
If Microsoft comes in a far second to Sony this gen.. which is more than likely going to happen.. I don't think it matters much if they succeed on their own terms and get enough people to buy into their vision and make profits along the way.
I just think all the complaints about the Kinect are baseless. I think the Kinect is used as ammunition by those that really have no intention of buying an Xbox One either way, Kinect sku or not.
If Microsoft came out at $399 and decided to give the Kinect away as a mail-in rebate... I'm sure close to 100% would take that offer.
Same could be said about Sony and their camera.
So it's really about price.. and not the Kinet, which is why I wrote the OP in the first place.
People should stop bitching about it.