Even though I prefer Sony games I am not anti MS and I don't feel that they should have packed the Kinect in with the system. It is cool for turning your game on and  stuff. And using it as a mic but CURRENTLY by adding it in and uping the price it is hurting MS with the sales of the system. I always hear that the XB1 is more innovative but I always ask what makes it SO MUCH more innovative than the PS4? Like what can it do that the PS4 can't? Albeit I know some things like snap and stuff but those are kind of minor in the bigger picture.

Or what will it be able to do in the future that the PS4 won't? I have neither system yet and won't have either for at least another year. But I have played both machines quite a bit. And for what the XB1 currently offers paying $100 dollars more just is not worth it to me. At the moment that is anyway... now later on down the line that could change but as of right now if one were to go and look at the PS4 and the XB1 the console differences are minor at best but the PRICE difference(thanks to kinect) is the factor that is swaying people...just my thoughts.

My #1 reason for not getting XBO and not planning on getting XBO is the forced inclusion of Kinect which I already know from 7th gen, I don't care for.

I feel the same way about the Gamepad that comes with the Wii U. Only Nintendo Land, ZombiU, Game & Wario, and Art Academy use it in an essential way.

Beyond that it is more useful than Kinect in that it allows off-tv play for every game, but certainly not essential. It is also very good for Miiverse, but again not essential to gaming. If Nintendo can make it an Accessory, then maybe the Wii U can be $200 and the Gamepad with some game $100 to match the current Wii U pricing. I bet the Wii U would sell a lot more at $200 with a Pro Controller, then it does for $300 with the Gamepad.

The guy didn't  say NOT. he just mumbles adn apuses. anyway pointless to arfgu e on that as you won't get the right answer.  I know

i actually loved the original vision of xbox one. Because of "whinning gamers" MS went back to safe routw which was just another more powerful xbox 360 much liek another more powerful ps3. Its gets boring afterawhile as you only get  amchine that just do games with mroe pixels and  abtetter resolution. Theres no innovation there to create a console with more power. At least MS did try something new ,, but whining gamers this gemnration are reluctant to change and don't want change. MS just released it to early. If whiny gamers didn't complain liek that  Sony would have most likely  followed MS route.  Not all comsumer wanted the MS 180 as most of their policy was pretty good. I was looking foorward to a steam type on a console.  Yea whiny gamers whuen about everything. I will give you example,,, they whiny about no battery indicator for xboxone. saying its must to kwno when battery dis lol. whiny gamers whined about difficulty of god of war ascension  ,, thers sone part wher you hav e to do trials. It was cjhallenging hwiich made it fun. However whiny gamers whined soo much that a patch was releasee and made it ridiculously easy.  Whuny gamers whine about teh abtteries thats required for xbox one controller, but in fact it the batteries required ofr the controller last 50 horus which si longer then 7 hours ofr the ps4 controller. Whiny gamers whien about LED light flashing whil eplaying a ps4. These are some unnecessary things gamers this gen and last gen complained about  which is pointless. The olden days of jsut getting playign games and  nto nit pickign for no reason are gone. Its good they did but sony needs to go out  of their comfort zone and create something different for once. 

Yes but sales would drive up dramatically.

Wow then we must have watched two different videos...because if 3p people CLEARLY heard him say not and one didn't then something si wrong here. But if you say you didn't hear it no big deal it is what it is.

And Sony has been out ofhteir comfort zone for a while now, they have created more NEW IPs over the last generationt han either MS or NIN. They went out of their comfort zone with the "cell". Heck they seemed to be the ONLY company willing to try and make new IPs even if they failed. Even with their current finacial situation they have a new IP coming out in The Order 1886. So they are fine no need tow orry about them stepping out of their comfort zone. They are more worried about moving in the right direction as a company which is FAR more important while at teh same time pleasing gamers so they are off to a great start.

About everything else you mentioned it all just seems like personal opinion, consumers control the market and what goes on. So those "whiny gamers" are not alone. If it was just the "whiny gamers" then MS would not have did a 180 so it was clearly bigger than that. But that's another story but I understand you have different opinions and feelings. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm sure if Sony had Microsoft or Nintendo's Money they would take those risks as well.

But its common knowledge that Sony has been in dire finacial straights since 2006, thats Eight years. So While Nintendo and Microsoft are simply risking their consoles with peripherals, Sony would be risking the Playstation Brand on the Eyetoy. And since they've had since ps2 with it, I think they understand best what the market for it is.

Forcing a peripheral limits your userbase always. Even with the Wii. Most people see the Wii's sales and think, oh bundling the peripheral insures dev support and if it pays off can attract a large market. But what they fail to see because they are blinded by the money, is that less people upgraded from gamecube to wii intially. But because of backwards compatibility and price, it didn't seem optional and expensive, so not forced. So its understandable, but the Wii U is displaying this in spades.  The innovation isn't what got the sales, the ease of use was, the motion gaming fad was. Right now, the kinect is optional and unnecessary, until they either give it away by lowering the price with it, or make it optional then it will continue to restrict the user base.

If Microsoft was truly confident, they would take the 100$ loss and get paid back in software as the loss-leader strategy dictates.

As for Nintendo, they have a battle with relevance.

@black naruto: The same video. i even foudn the wuote where andrew house himself said the exact same hting as i did lol. no poin targuing over this as you heard soemthing and so did .. saying whos right or wrong at this point is pointless as this will keep on going like that ,, and nothing will be resolved . Sure Sony created New Ips more then teh competition but i was not referring to that. You do know , more does not equal good as you can't guarantee they are all of top quality. Plu s teh amoutn MS had was good enough and despie having less new Ips ,, what they had sold more the most if not all of Sony exclusives with just few of theirs . MS doing that stuff this gen as alot of new ips are comin gout of this gen for xbox one. i was referring to their consoles that they make. its the same console with a slightly differnt look and enhanced power lol. It was tehir arrogance to have done that and their greed for charging their console 600 and say you will need a second job to afford it. Hence why they suffered. Sadly this gen its MS turn to experience it lol.

I never said mine was fact. it was indeed my opinion. From what i have seen, its not far from the truth. I mean complaining because Xbox one doesn't show battery indicator. Its almost feels liek gamers are 10 year old peopel when they complain for stuff like this lol. 1886 looks like a cool gam but based on what i have seen so far,, its just another but prettier gears of war type game. Nothing that industry has seen before. However i am hping it suceeeds so taht we can se ea sequel or moe games from the studio. Lol you mention 1886,, i can mention quantic dream and titanfall which will sell more then 1886 , probably lol. I was actually disappointed at MS for doing the 180. I hoped that stuck to their vision and didn't cave in. but sadly they saw reactin with what sony did , so they had no choice but ot cave in s well. teh funniest thing with teh 180 wsa taht when MS changed everything ,, the whiny gamers stil whined at MS because MS removed teh policy that was stuck to teh original vision of XBOX ONE but teh gamers realised it was good thing. See what happens when you complain for nothing. Thats the whiny gamer i was referring.. The ones that no matter what you do ,, you can never pls them as tehy will always fidn ways to compalin about something new. That what happened with MS.

No argument about the video. I never said more was better. I was just saying they took the risks because you were saying that they needed to step outside of their saftey net or shell or something along those lines. I was just pointing out that they have been doing that for the past few years. And I am sorry as a MS fan I CAN NOT agree  that MS was good with just the games they released. It is like exclusive wise they have not shown the 360 any love for like the past 4 years for real. While the games Sony have had may not have all sold like say Gears. A lot of them did sell rather well and even now they are still supporting the PS3 with exclusive games. So they have a track record of suppoting their console better with games which is a good thing. And are you kidding me about the console? They took a risk with the sixaxis that went nowhere, they took and even bigger risk with Blu ray and came out good. Yeah they take risks, but THIS time around they could not afford to take those risks because of theri finacial situation. Which again was very smart on their part.

And I just gave you The Order 1886 to say that they are still trying new games. They even have annoucned  titles in the works so they are still staying on top of their games aspect. Never mentioned the sales of the games and yeah I agree Titanfall may sell more than The Order 1886 but Quantic Dream nah I am not so sure about that. Also both Quanitc Dream and Titanfall are not anything that the industry has not seen before either. And you know what there is NOTHING wrong with that. Titanfall is A LOT of fun and plays super smooth. Which is what matters and hopefully both Quantic Dream and The Order play smooth and are fun to play as well...and lastly these "whiny gamers" you keep reffering to...that's just the industry and that is just business consumers will ALWAYS complain about something. And you know what companies have NO CHOICE than to listen to the consumer which is smart on their part seeing as that's who keeps them in business.

You can use the touch pad in Trine 2 playing as the wizard.
The pad is precise enough to use as a pointer, but I would like to see them use relative position with a mouse pointer like a track pad instead of absolute position. At least enable it in the web browser, people have already figured out how to do it on pc. For browsing it would be nice if you could cycle between the air pointer (from text input) and trackpad mode to move the cursor.

I hope Tropico 5 is going to make good use of the touchpad.