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starworld on 18 February 2014
Michael-5 said:
HyrulianScrolls said:

Well I know there's sure not a big difference between AC4 on Wii U vs One.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftQmHpPJrsc

This gen is like the exact reverse of gen 6. Gamecube had a slight edge over Xbox which had a slight edge over PS2. This gen it's the same, except in reverse.

Thanks for showing me this. Getting a WiiU first, now I won't hold off by buying 3rd party games for WiiU

do yourself a favor and read the digitail foundry verdict, the game runs like crap on wiiu, its the worst version of the game, it looks about the same as the 360/ps3 versions, but runs 5-10 fps behind the 360/ps3 versions, while the ps4/xbone have a rock solid 30fps.



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Michael-5 on 18 February 2014
starworld said:
Michael-5 said:
HyrulianScrolls said:

Well I know there's sure not a big difference between AC4 on Wii U vs One.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftQmHpPJrsc

This gen is like the exact reverse of gen 6. Gamecube had a slight edge over Xbox which had a slight edge over PS2. This gen it's the same, except in reverse.

Thanks for showing me this. Getting a WiiU first, now I won't hold off by buying 3rd party games for WiiU

do yourself a favor and read the digitail foundry verdict, the game runs like crap on wiiu, its the worst version of the game, it looks about the same as the 360/ps3 versions, but runs 5-10 fps behind the 360/ps3 versions, while the ps4/xbone have a rock solid 30fps.

Yea, but the XB1 version also consistantly has FPS drops (reading DF review now), but yea....

Still getting Deus Ex for WiiU, and maybe Watch Dogs



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fatslob-:O on 18 February 2014
Pemalite said:
ICStats said:
Pemalite said:
dsp333 said:

As weak as it is (not that the PS4 isn't weak as well), no, not even close. The One is still over 4 times the power of the Wii U by its weakest measure.

The Wii U is more in line with the 360 and PS3 than it is the One and the PS4 as pathetic as that is. In fact, by some measures like ram bandwidth and CPU before GPU assistance, the Wii U is actually WEAKER than those machines approaching 8 and 9 years old.


No way. The WiiU's GPU is superior to that of the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.
The CPU is also superior being an Out-of-Order design.

You're looking at probably 2x the maximum performance of the PS3.
However it's not in the same league as the Next-gen twins.

There is a massive performance disparity between the 7th gen and 8th gen, thanks to the continiously advancing PC technology found in all systems. (And because that generation dragged for so damn long the difference is more pronounced.)

The GPU is superior, but the CPU is inferior.  OoO doesn't make up for the lower clock rate and fewer cores than PS3.  It may be close, but lower.

OoO just makes it easier to get the most out of the cores, but PS3 & XB360 developers already have had 8 years to optimize their code so they are getting the most.  


The killer in the Wii U's heel is the lack of SIMD's.

Actually I'd argue the killer is more than the small SIMD engines. The killer is practically everything about it.

Due to having a tiny SIMD engine that will also result in the WII U's espresso having poor IPC. The integer performance is even poorer as well seeing as how the ALUs aren't extended by any SIMD instruction sets which means that it will be limited to only 3 32 bit integer operation per cycle. This makes the WII U a poor overall single threaded performer and an even more offensive one considering it's low clock speeds.

The OoO execution model isn't a saving grace for the WII U seeing as every other parts of ibm espresso are beyond terrible. Everything else about the ibm xenon and cell just runs over horrid espresso. 

Nintendo will hopefully learn a lessson not to use 10+ year old CPU designs ...



starworld on 18 February 2014
Michael-5 said:
starworld said:
Michael-5 said:
HyrulianScrolls said:

Well I know there's sure not a big difference between AC4 on Wii U vs One.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftQmHpPJrsc

This gen is like the exact reverse of gen 6. Gamecube had a slight edge over Xbox which had a slight edge over PS2. This gen it's the same, except in reverse.

Thanks for showing me this. Getting a WiiU first, now I won't hold off by buying 3rd party games for WiiU

do yourself a favor and read the digitail foundry verdict, the game runs like crap on wiiu, its the worst version of the game, it looks about the same as the 360/ps3 versions, but runs 5-10 fps behind the 360/ps3 versions, while the ps4/xbone have a rock solid 30fps.

Yea, but the XB1 version also consistantly has FPS drops (reading DF review now), but yea....

Still getting Deus Ex for WiiU, and maybe Watch Dogs

they actually  say the xb1 version has very rare drops.



starworld on 18 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:
ICStats said:
Pemalite said:
dsp333 said:

As weak as it is (not that the PS4 isn't weak as well), no, not even close. The One is still over 4 times the power of the Wii U by its weakest measure.

The Wii U is more in line with the 360 and PS3 than it is the One and the PS4 as pathetic as that is. In fact, by some measures like ram bandwidth and CPU before GPU assistance, the Wii U is actually WEAKER than those machines approaching 8 and 9 years old.


No way. The WiiU's GPU is superior to that of the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.
The CPU is also superior being an Out-of-Order design.

You're looking at probably 2x the maximum performance of the PS3.
However it's not in the same league as the Next-gen twins.

There is a massive performance disparity between the 7th gen and 8th gen, thanks to the continiously advancing PC technology found in all systems. (And because that generation dragged for so damn long the difference is more pronounced.)

The GPU is superior, but the CPU is inferior.  OoO doesn't make up for the lower clock rate and fewer cores than PS3.  It may be close, but lower.

OoO just makes it easier to get the most out of the cores, but PS3 & XB360 developers already have had 8 years to optimize their code so they are getting the most.  


The killer in the Wii U's heel is the lack of SIMD's.

Actually I'd argue the killer is more than the small SIMD engines. The killer is practically everything about it.

Due to having a tiny SIMD engine that will also result in the WII U's espresso having poor IPC. The integer performance is even poorer as well seeing as how the ALUs aren't extended by any SIMD instruction sets which means that it will be limited to only 3 32 bit integer operation per cycle. This makes the WII U a poor overall single threaded performer and an even more offensive one considering it's low clock speeds.

The OoO execution model isn't a saving grace for the WII U seeing as every other parts of ibm espresso are beyond terrible. Everything else about the ibm xenon and cell just runs over horrid espresso. 

Nintendo will hopefully learn a lessson not to use 10+ year old CPU designs ...

I swear its like people believe these consoles are powered my magical fairy dust, the Xbox1 could do everything the ps4 does, but at 720p, maybe 900p if the game is not pushing the hardware, while the wiiu still struggles after a 1 year to run 360/ps3 games, the specs are confirmed the xb1 gpu is 6x more powerful then WIIU gpu, the PS4 is like 8-9x. The xb1 has some real bottle knecks though, it's just poorly designed hardware.



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Zero999 on 18 February 2014
starworld said:
fatslob-:O said:

Actually I'd argue the killer is more than the small SIMD engines. The killer is practically everything about it.

Due to having a tiny SIMD engine that will also result in the WII U's espresso having poor IPC. The integer performance is even poorer as well seeing as how the ALUs aren't extended by any SIMD instruction sets which means that it will be limited to only 3 32 bit integer operation per cycle. This makes the WII U a poor overall single threaded performer and an even more offensive one considering it's low clock speeds.

The OoO execution model isn't a saving grace for the WII U seeing as every other parts of ibm espresso are beyond terrible. Everything else about the ibm xenon and cell just runs over horrid espresso. 

Nintendo will hopefully learn a lessson not to use 10+ year old CPU designs ...

I swear its like people believe these consoles are powered my magical fairy dust, the Xbox1 could do everything the ps4 does, but at 720p, maybe 900p if the game is not pushing the hardware, while the wiiu still struggles after a 1 year to run 360/ps3 games, the specs are confirmed the xb1 gpu is 6x more powerful then WIIU gpu, the PS4 is like 8-9x. The xb1 has some real bottle knecks though, it's just poorly designed hardware.

very wrong, sir. inform yourself better next time.



fatslob-:O on 18 February 2014
Zero999 said:
starworld said:
fatslob-:O said:

Actually I'd argue the killer is more than the small SIMD engines. The killer is practically everything about it.

Due to having a tiny SIMD engine that will also result in the WII U's espresso having poor IPC. The integer performance is even poorer as well seeing as how the ALUs aren't extended by any SIMD instruction sets which means that it will be limited to only 3 32 bit integer operation per cycle. This makes the WII U a poor overall single threaded performer and an even more offensive one considering it's low clock speeds.

The OoO execution model isn't a saving grace for the WII U seeing as every other parts of ibm espresso are beyond terrible. Everything else about the ibm xenon and cell just runs over horrid espresso. 

Nintendo will hopefully learn a lessson not to use 10+ year old CPU designs ...

I swear its like people believe these consoles are powered my magical fairy dust, the Xbox1 could do everything the ps4 does, but at 720p, maybe 900p if the game is not pushing the hardware, while the wiiu still struggles after a 1 year to run 360/ps3 games, the specs are confirmed the xb1 gpu is 6x more powerful then WIIU gpu, the PS4 is like 8-9x. The xb1 has some real bottle knecks though, it's just poorly designed hardware.

very wrong, sir. inform yourself better next time.

Are you demotivated now ? 



JoeTheBro on 18 February 2014
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:

With the recent news that MGS:GZ is 720p 60fps on the XBONE, is anyone else starting to feel that the system is closer in terms of graphics to the Wii U than the PS4? There's certainly a large gap between the XBONE and Wii U, no one is denying that, but the gap between the PS4 and XBONE appears even larger. I'm certainly thinking so.

well the gap between wiiu and xboxone is much bigger http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136756 as you can from the specs its not even close, xboxone main problem comes is that it has some real problems doing 1080p gaming cause the esram and rop being cut down to make the esram fit on the gpu, you look at wiiu and its basically last gen interms of performace, 1 year later, and you still have games most multiplatform games running much worse on wiiu then 360/ps3, while xbone is running them at 900p/1080p whith some nextgen upgrades.

Specs are great evidence but they don't tell us the full story. The real world result of the specs is what matters in the end, and on that metric the Wii U is doing pretty good. Which non launch multiplats run much worse on Wii U? Most are almost on par if not better.



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Soundwave on 18 February 2014

No. XB1 has a far more powerful GPU, considerably beefier 8-core CPU, and like 5x-6x the RAM (for games). 

SNES = Playstation 4
Genesis = XBox 1
Souped Up NES = Wii U

That said if Nintendo wasn't so concerned about making a system that consumes less electricity than a light bulb and designing something to the tastes of Japanese housewives (gotta love those design priorties) they probably could've matched Microsoft fairly closely this gen with year headstart. 



starworld on 18 February 2014
JoeTheBro said:
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:

With the recent news that MGS:GZ is 720p 60fps on the XBONE, is anyone else starting to feel that the system is closer in terms of graphics to the Wii U than the PS4? There's certainly a large gap between the XBONE and Wii U, no one is denying that, but the gap between the PS4 and XBONE appears even larger. I'm certainly thinking so.

well the gap between wiiu and xboxone is much bigger http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136756 as you can from the specs its not even close, xboxone main problem comes is that it has some real problems doing 1080p gaming cause the esram and rop being cut down to make the esram fit on the gpu, you look at wiiu and its basically last gen interms of performace, 1 year later, and you still have games most multiplatform games running much worse on wiiu then 360/ps3, while xbone is running them at 900p/1080p whith some nextgen upgrades.


Specs are great evidence but they don't tell us the full story. The real world result of the specs is what really matter. Also which non launch multiplats run much worse on Wii U? Most are almost on par if not better.

AC4 runs 5-15 fps behind current gen and looks the same, same for batman, ninaj gaiden 3 and COD ghosts, resident evil  revelations and splinter cell also called worse versions by DF, the only game that is superior NFSWU. specs also do tell the full story, just look at ryse that looks a generion better then anything on wiiu.