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drake4 on 19 January 2014
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 

Its all about opinions. What is crap to you can be gold to others and vice versa.

There are ways to measuring quality and sales are probably the best indicator for it considering they are the votes of consumers. 

Nope its all about opinions. You cannot change someone view point when the mind is already made up.

That's quality at a LOCAL basis, I'm talking about quality at a GLOBAL basis. 

There is no such thing as global or local. opinions is the basis of what is quality to us.

I thought our buying power was based on PPP.

On a more serious note though you can measure quality by sales. 

thats true most games that sell great are quality, but it all about timing, marketing, character design and story, for instants you think wii sports is the best game of all time, but nobody cares about the sequel, nobody is hyped, and it won't even sell above 4 million.



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fatslob-:O on 19 January 2014
toastboy44562 said:
Muffin31190 said:
toastboy44562 said:
Muffin31190 said:
Yeah I believe you to very wrong OP, the Perfect counter example to this is the Dreamcast, a highly Quality console for the time with good amount of quality games and still low sales so yup.


There isn't one game on the dreamcast that i think is remotely good. I wouldn't even play anything on there that was given to me for free. It's all subjective

Did you play any Games on the Dreamcast, because I feel like your missing out on a lot of great games. And a large part of the Gaming Community agrees that the Dreamcast was robbed of the glory it could have had because of the success of the PS2 (and the failed business practices of Sega).
And also Just because "you" dont see any appeal in the games does not make them have any less Quality to it and it doesnt make any of the games less memorable or Rated very highly among the gaming community.
ex: I think Call of Duty is a lame and repetative game but does that make the game have any less Quality, no there is tons of work and effort put into those games to make them as polished as possible to make a Quality game and it is enjoyed by many gamers.


Just because you and a 100 people on the internetz thinks the dreamcast is badass and hundreds of millions of people think it sucks doesn't make it a high quality imo. Unless you think that your opinion trumps everyone else's on the face of the planet. If it had high quality games and people liked the system it would have sold and it didn't. This means it isn't a high quality imo. people make rational decisions and if there is a substitute that's better (in this case ps2) people will buy that instead.

Agreed and IMO the dreamcast sucked hard as well as the other sega systems too except for maybe the genesis but that comparison towards the PS2 is a little unfair cause that system actually had relevant games LOL. 



fatslob-:O on 19 January 2014
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 

Its all about opinions. What is crap to you can be gold to others and vice versa.

There are ways to measuring quality and sales are probably the best indicator for it considering they are the votes of consumers. 

Nope its all about opinions. You cannot change someone view point when the mind is already made up.

That's quality at a LOCAL basis, I'm talking about quality at a GLOBAL basis. 

There is no such thing as global or local. opinions is the basis of what is quality to us.

I thought our buying power was based on PPP.

On a more serious note though you can measure quality by sales. 

thats true most games that sell great are quality, but it all about timing, marketing, character design and story, for instants you think wii sports is the best game of all time, but nobody cares about the sequel, nobody is hyped, and it won't even sell above 4 million.

It probably won't sell alot because nintendo are idiots for trying to give it a 50$ price tag for what is essentially a rehash and the last time I checked people buy new consoles for new games and not old ones. 



drake4 on 19 January 2014
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 

Its all about opinions. What is crap to you can be gold to others and vice versa.

There are ways to measuring quality and sales are probably the best indicator for it considering they are the votes of consumers. 

Nope its all about opinions. You cannot change someone view point when the mind is already made up.

That's quality at a LOCAL basis, I'm talking about quality at a GLOBAL basis. 

There is no such thing as global or local. opinions is the basis of what is quality to us.

I thought our buying power was based on PPP.

On a more serious note though you can measure quality by sales. 

thats true most games that sell great are quality, but it all about timing, marketing, character design and story, for instants you think wii sports is the best game of all time, but nobody cares about the sequel, nobody is hyped, and it won't even sell above 4 million.

It probably won't sell alot because nintendo are idiots for trying to give it a 50$ price tag for what is essentially a rehash and the last time I checked people buy new consoles for new games and not old ones. 

last time you checked? so people don't  buy consoles for sequels, especially a sequel to the best game ever according to you, even if you release a rehash of GTA and COD its guaranteed to sell 10 million+.



fatslob-:O on 19 January 2014
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 

Its all about opinions. What is crap to you can be gold to others and vice versa.

There are ways to measuring quality and sales are probably the best indicator for it considering they are the votes of consumers. 

Nope its all about opinions. You cannot change someone view point when the mind is already made up.

That's quality at a LOCAL basis, I'm talking about quality at a GLOBAL basis. 

There is no such thing as global or local. opinions is the basis of what is quality to us.

I thought our buying power was based on PPP.

On a more serious note though you can measure quality by sales. 

thats true most games that sell great are quality, but it all about timing, marketing, character design and story, for instants you think wii sports is the best game of all time, but nobody cares about the sequel, nobody is hyped, and it won't even sell above 4 million.

It probably won't sell alot because nintendo are idiots for trying to give it a 50$ price tag for what is essentially a rehash and the last time I checked people buy new consoles for new games and not old ones. 

last time you checked? so people don't  buy consoles for sequels, especially a sequel to the best game ever according to you, even if you release a rehash of GTA and COD its guaranteed to sell 10 million+.

WII sports club is not some sequel, it actually qualifies for the definition of a rehash! Actually if you tried it with those games they will likely not go above 7 mil. 



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drake4 on 19 January 2014
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:
tiffac said:
fatslob-:O said:

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 

Its all about opinions. What is crap to you can be gold to others and vice versa.

There are ways to measuring quality and sales are probably the best indicator for it considering they are the votes of consumers. 

Nope its all about opinions. You cannot change someone view point when the mind is already made up.

That's quality at a LOCAL basis, I'm talking about quality at a GLOBAL basis. 

There is no such thing as global or local. opinions is the basis of what is quality to us.

I thought our buying power was based on PPP.

On a more serious note though you can measure quality by sales. 

thats true most games that sell great are quality, but it all about timing, marketing, character design and story, for instants you think wii sports is the best game of all time, but nobody cares about the sequel, nobody is hyped, and it won't even sell above 4 million.

It probably won't sell alot because nintendo are idiots for trying to give it a 50$ price tag for what is essentially a rehash and the last time I checked people buy new consoles for new games and not old ones. 

last time you checked? so people don't  buy consoles for sequels, especially a sequel to the best game ever according to you, even if you release a rehash of GTA and COD its guaranteed to sell 10 million+.

WII sports club is not some sequel, it actually qualifies for the definition of a rehash! Actually if you tried it with those games they will likely not go above 7 mil. 

rehash can qualify for most sports and racing games.



Muffin31190 on 19 January 2014
toastboy44562 said:


Just because you and a 100 people on the internetz thinks the dreamcast is badass and hundreds of millions of people think it sucks doesn't make it a high quality imo. Unless you think that your opinion trumps everyone else's on the face of the planet. If it had high quality games and people liked the system it would have sold and it didn't. This means it isn't a high quality imo. people make rational decisions and if there is a substitute that's better (in this case ps2) people will buy that instead.


Thats why PC Magazine named it the best console ever, yup only me and 100 people actually thought the console was good, was it not the first console that had a direct Internet connection via modem or did it not directly Influence the Xbox as seen with the Original Xbox's Architecture or the how the controller's Have a lot of similarities (unless you are saying the xbox is of poor quality).
Just because something is not recognized does not make it of poor quality, there are examples of this through History Such as the Great Alexandria Library - it had burned down over thousends of years ago and was not visited by all of the people of the world yet we still know of it because of the Quality of it's Legacy that it left behind.
A product does not have to have a massive flow of sales and does not need widespread success to make it any less in the Standard of Quality, In this sense the N64 and the Gamecube (neither had good sales especially against there competitors) would be considerd of poor quality, and even with those consoles you know there have incredible Quality filled games on Quality hardware.
There is one thing you do have point with, and that is if it is a quality product then it will sell and for the most part that is true but there are tons of games or products that are of really good quality that did not sell that well, such as any other MP3 player besides the I-Pod.
I don't expect you to agree or understand but just know that if you just go on in life only thinking the only quality things in life are what is recognized by the greater population then you are going to miss out on a lot of what life has to offer, In gaming or just life in general.



drake4 on 19 January 2014
Muffin31190 said:
toastboy44562 said:


Just because you and a 100 people on the internetz thinks the dreamcast is badass and hundreds of millions of people think it sucks doesn't make it a high quality imo. Unless you think that your opinion trumps everyone else's on the face of the planet. If it had high quality games and people liked the system it would have sold and it didn't. This means it isn't a high quality imo. people make rational decisions and if there is a substitute that's better (in this case ps2) people will buy that instead.


Thats why PC Magazine named it the best console ever, yup only me and 100 people actually thought the console was good, was it not the first console that had a direct Internet connection via modem or did it not directly Influence the Xbox as seen with the Original Xbox's Architecture or the how the controller's Have a lot of similarities (unless you are saying the xbox is of poor quality).
Just because something is not recognized does not make it of poor quality, there are examples of this through History Such as the Great Alexandria Library - it had burned down over thousends of years ago and was not visited by all of the people of the world yet we still know of it because of the Quality of it's Legacy that it left behind.
A product does not have to have a massive flow of sales and does not need widespread success to make it any less in the Standard of Quality, In this sense the N64 and the Gamecube (neither had good sales especially against there competitors) would be considerd of poor quality, and even with those consoles you know there have incredible Quality filled games on Quality hardware.
There is one thing you do have point with, and that is if it is a quality product then it will sell and for the most part that is true but there are tons of games or products that are of really good quality that did not sell that well, such as any other MP3 player besides the I-Pod.
I don't expect you to agree or understand but just know that if you just go on in life only thinking the only quality things in life are what is recognized by the greater population then you are going to miss out on a lot of what life has to offer, In gaming or just life in general.

you could release the best console or phone in the world, if you don't have the populer brand name, they won't sell great, microsoft was a new comer to the game, even with a huge war chest and the most powerful console, and a revolutionary FPS called halo and sold pretty bad or what about nintendo GC even with there huge franshises sold even worst, how did dreamcast stand a chance when its brand and franchises were already irrevelant.



Muffin31190 on 20 January 2014
Shadow1980 said:

Hm.

Domestic Box Office Results for 2011

#2. Transformers: Dark of the Moon: $352.4 million
#3. Breaking Dawn Part I: $281.3 million

#49. Hugo: $73.9 million
#71. The Artist: $44.7 million

By toastboy logic, Bayformers and Twilight are higher quality cinema than universally acclaimed films that get nominated for and even win major Oscars. Sorry, but just like how Scorcese's films will always be better than Bay's films or films about sparkly vampires regardless of box office returns, so to will good games be better than bad games regardless of quality. When it comes to art and entertainment, sometimes crap sells (just look at 99.9% of popular music today) while sometimes genuinely good content gets overlooked. Quality is no guarantor of commercial success and vice versa.

thankyou





toastboy44562 on 20 January 2014
Muffin31190 said:
Shadow1980 said:

Hm.

Domestic Box Office Results for 2011

#2. Transformers: Dark of the Moon: $352.4 million
#3. Breaking Dawn Part I: $281.3 million

#49. Hugo: $73.9 million
#71. The Artist: $44.7 million

By toastboy logic, Bayformers and Twilight are higher quality cinema than universally acclaimed films that get nominated for and even win major Oscars. Sorry, but just like how Scorcese's films will always be better than Bay's films or films about sparkly vampires regardless of box office returns, so to will good games be better than bad games regardless of quality. When it comes to art and entertainment, sometimes crap sells (just look at 99.9% of popular music today) while sometimes genuinely good content gets overlooked. Quality is no guarantor of commercial success and vice versa.

thankyou


I dont like any movies to be honest but I never even heard of hugo and the artist