Because Kinect and PSMove don't exist either right?

And I'll just say this now, if Nintendo bowed out, its customers would just move to mobile devices, like most of the Wii crowd already have done (see the outstanding success of the WiiU)

For a long time, those didn't exist.  The term pre-dated both of those by years.

And if you want to get back to the thread topic, Nintendo was the company that popularized motion gaming.  Neither of those would exist right now if it were not for Nintendo.  Yet another reason they are important.

Yes and no. My gaming of choice has always been Nintendo, though I am often very critical of them (especially as of late), and I still probably game on PC and Xbox 360 far more than Nintendo consoles. I guess you can say I'm more of a retro Nintendo fanboy but still enjoy some of their modern stuff.

Saying "most don't" love Nintendo games is a pretty bold statement considering they're probably the most successful gaming company of all time, have been around the longest of the big three, and have also made the most money of games than any company. They are also coming off the phenomenon that was the Wii, which was home to several of the most popular games of all time. I'm not trying to force any agenda here. If anything, the creator of this topic seems to be the one forcing the agenda. I'm merely saying this topic is absolutely pointless from a practical standpoint and simply exists to ignite flame wars.

Well, the software to push them certainly didn't.

Same goes for those in the handheld space, Wouldn't they just jump ship to psv streaming tablet/phone gaming ?   Wouldn't Sonys fall effect gaming as a whole more then Nintys given 3rd party reliance on their platforms to sale.  

The idea with being stuck with Ms lets turn you into slaves and Nintys stuck in the past mentalities sends shrivers into the gamer in me.  

Eyetoy predated both DS and Wii, as did the Sega activator, unless of course you want to pretend 4.2m sales for a game with a hardware accessory isnt "popular".

To break it down

"Nintendo popularized motion gaming" - Was popular prior to ds/wii, no AS popular, granted, but popular non the less.
"Neither would exist if right now if it were not for Nintendo" - Pure assumption, given that sony already had the eyetoy and their development department had been working on its successor (pseye) since the commercial release of the eyetoy. As for kinect, assuming that mobile gaming took off just as well as it has done, and i see no reason why it would not, it is safe to assume that Microsoft would have gone ahead with their aquisition of primesense and released kinect regardless.

Again though, if you want to claim nintendo popularized motion gaming despite the existance of eyetoy, about the only reason you will have to claim this is overall lifetime sales, in which case your point is "it wasnt first but it sold more, so it popularized it", at which point anyone could easilly point to the mindblowing sales of mobile and tablet devices which far outstrip standard gaming consoles, and say, "actually, no, the mobile market popularized motion controls and touch input". (like it or not, tilt sensors and touch inputs equate to motion control).

I put it to you that Nintendo simply timed the release of the Wii right, in regards to motion tech which already existed, at a price point and age range target to perform well on the open market, a lucky strike in timing that they have failed to repeat with the WiiU.

They caught the people transitioning from console gaming to mobile, and non-gamers to mobile gamers just at the right time for the Wii, a large potion of this customer base have now either migrated to mobile, migrated to playstation or xbox, or returned to being non-gamers, or casual "facebook" style browser games, as evidenced by the WiiU.

I am not attacking Nintendo however, I am simply being logical and unbiased about it.

Some would.  But there is a big difference between mobile gaming and handheld gaming right now.  The colapse of handheld gaming would be a blow to the industry.

I don't even know what, "Ms lets turn you into slaves," means.  With Sony now charging for online play, there is even less that separates the two.

You are so much wrong both of you.

Sony and MS consoles are totally different since sony consoles have good japan and first party support, same as nintendo ( about the first party support, because they wont get much support from japan this generation on Wii U), so it's totally insane to say ms consoles and sony consoles are twins just because they share 80% of their libraty, like i explained, it's nonsens

Like i said, nintendo exclusives are not more "special/innovative/creative" than sony exclusives and not more numerous, they have both good first party support, and the only fact making Wii U different when it comes to games is the lack of third party support

Saying they are the most successful gaming company of all time is a really bold statement seeing how 3 Sonys consoles out sold 5 Ninty ones by 80 million.  If you average it all out, Sonys platforms have out sold Ninty ones.  

The statemants applies to handheld but not consoles, and wii by the defenition of the word was no phenomenon,  fad describes it much better.  Given ninty dropped waggle from its succesor seems to strengthen that.

Most everything on any forum is absolutely pointless from a practical standpoint.  

Nintendo falling would impact the handheld market, many of whome would switch to psv or mobile.

Sony falling would impact both the handheld and mobile market, given the number of sony tablets and mobile devices they produce, while it would not by any stretch of the imagination be the end for mobile gaming as there would be nintendo handhelds and other mobile devices, in a way sony falling would have a larger impact on mobile gaming, the overall impact would be dependant on if nintendo folded completely, for both software and hardware, or just hardware - if anything nintendo folding for hardware only would actually be beneficial rather than detrimental.