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pezus said:
Lawlight said:
Carl2291 said:
theprof00 said:
Doesn't make sense that a bluray player would have such a high attach rate...I thought gamers preferred xbox?


They do, which is why the Xbox has sold more software overall and has a better attach rate.

Yeah... I doubt that.

The main reason for that software gap is due to Americans buying more games (and them buying more 360's). For example, if Europeans bought more games than Americans, PS3 would be comfortably ahead.


Well, we don't know the official numbers. MS never posted their numbers. I think given the number of PS3s sold, more games were sold for it.



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Carl2291 said:
Lawlight said:

Yeah... I doubt that.


Quite frankly my dear, I dont give a damn.


If you didn't you wouldn't have replied.



Kresnik said:
Sal.Paradise said:

I don't give a toss about the OP's intentions or Warner Bro's Lego game sales lol, we're arguing specifically about P5's chance of hitting 1 million in the real world, not VGChartz 1 million. If you thought I was arguing this whole time about whether it would hit 1 mil on VGC then sorry I didnt tell you earlier. 

'I think it has a dedicated userbase in both the west and the east who buy the game, but they don't come anywhere near to 1 million'  - I just don't understand how you can think that when it has a 'dedicated userbase' big enough to get a game to 700k on one of the floppiest systems of all time. 


No, we're not.  Or at least, I wasn't.  Since this argument was brought up in the first place about potential PS3 million sellers in the database yet to come and that's why I doubted Persona 5 would get there.  I suppose it might well ship + digital a million, but that's not what I was referring to.  It's why people like Barozi were bringing up earlier in the thread that certain 360 games are missing European numbers because again, it's to do with database tracking.

@ bold, that was my point about opportunity.  Persona 4 Golden is the highest rated game on Vita.  It was the only JRPG released in 2012 for the system and only really had a challenge in 2013 from Ys at the end of the year and I suppose the downloadable Atelier games.  That kind of circumstance is going to net it more sales when people have a shiny new piece of hardware and want some of the best games for it.  It's going to be less of a factor for PS3 which will be in its 8th/9th year of life by the time P5 releases.

Alright, so we were arguing about slightly different things. So do you think it is more likely to reach 1 mil total in real world figures or not, if you had to guess? 

I get that last argument and I bet it was a factor in its sales, but not a big one. Tearaway is rated highly and released in a barren period for Vita (which is, like, all the time in the west) but we know how that game sold. And since you mentioned YS, I bet that isn't lighting the world on fire sales-wise either, yet it's in a similar situation to P4G. And if you're saying P4G being one of the few JRPGs on Vita helped it sell the numbers it did, I think the audience for the type of JRPG Persona is is even stronger on PS3 than it is on Vita, even with more competition on the system. (You can look at 'competition' another way, those JRPGs that came before on PS3 have etablished the audience for games like Persona on the system, and upcoming titles like Zestiria will ensure JRPG gamers stay active on the system, whereas P4G had to do all the heavy lifting itself on Vita barring double digit selling otaku games). 



Lawlight said:

If you didn't you wouldn't have replied.


It was more of a Dwayne Johnson telling Michael Cole that it doesnt matter what he thinks.

If you have numbers to support your stance, by all means show them.



                            

Sal.Paradise said:

Alright, so we were arguing about slightly different things. So do you think it is more likely to reach 1 mil total in real world figures or not, if you had to guess? 

I get that last argument and I bet it was a factor in its sales, but not a big one. Tearaway is rated highly and released in a barren period for Vita (which is, like, all the time in the west) but we know how that game sold. And since you mentioned YS, I bet that isn't lighting the world on fire sales-wise either, yet it's in a similar situation to P4G. And if you're saying P4G being one of the few JRPGs on Vita helped it sell the numbers it did, I think the audience for the type of JRPG Persona is is even stronger on PS3 than it is on Vita, even with more competition on the system. (You can look at 'competition' another way, those JRPGs that came before on PS3 have etablished the audience for games like Persona on the system, and upcoming titles like Zestiria will ensure JRPG gamers stay active on the system, whereas P4G had to do all the heavy lifting itself on Vita barring double digit selling otaku games). 


Hmm.  I think it's going to be awfully close.  I do think, like you say, that the series has grown in popularity (again, ironically, since it was pretty massive in Japan on the PS1).

But I think to get to 1 million it's going to need digital + shipped numbers, yeah.

Yeah, I understand the established audience argument and that's definitely a part of it.  I think the established audience is probably, ironically, falling off on PS3 as the system gets older though.  At least in Japan, I think more and more people are migrating to 3DS & Vita.  I hope that Zesteria and Persona 5 will keep the userbase there, but I'm wondering if Zesteria is even going to sell less than Xillia 2.

What I'm saying is, I think people who wouldn't normally have bought JRPG's or maybe would have bought them but not a Persona game, picked up P4G if they got a Vita.  It probably attracted a wider audience than the IP would have alone.

Anyway, maybe this whole argument will be decided for us anyway.  After all, Atlus is SEGA now.  Which means Persona 5 won't come to the west because SEGA.  

Do you think it will sell 1 million in Japan alone? ololol.



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Carl2291 said:
Lawlight said:

If you didn't you wouldn't have replied.


It was more of a Dwayne Johnson telling Michael Cole that it doesnt matter what he thinks.

If you have numbers to support your stance, by all means show them.


How ironic when you don't have numbers yourself.



Kresnik said:
Sal.Paradise said:

Alright, so we were arguing about slightly different things. So do you think it is more likely to reach 1 mil total in real world figures or not, if you had to guess? 

I get that last argument and I bet it was a factor in its sales, but not a big one. Tearaway is rated highly and released in a barren period for Vita (which is, like, all the time in the west) but we know how that game sold. And since you mentioned YS, I bet that isn't lighting the world on fire sales-wise either, yet it's in a similar situation to P4G. And if you're saying P4G being one of the few JRPGs on Vita helped it sell the numbers it did, I think the audience for the type of JRPG Persona is is even stronger on PS3 than it is on Vita, even with more competition on the system. (You can look at 'competition' another way, those JRPGs that came before on PS3 have etablished the audience for games like Persona on the system, and upcoming titles like Zestiria will ensure JRPG gamers stay active on the system, whereas P4G had to do all the heavy lifting itself on Vita barring double digit selling otaku games). 


Hmm.  I think it's going to be awfully close.  I do think, like you say, that the series has grown in popularity (again, ironically, since it was pretty massive in Japan on the PS1).

But I think to get to 1 million it's going to need digital + shipped numbers, yeah.

Yeah, I understand the established audience argument and that's definitely a part of it.  I think the established audience is probably, ironically, falling off on PS3 as the system gets older though.  At least in Japan, I think more and more people are migrating to 3DS & Vita.  I hope that Zesteria and Persona 5 will keep the userbase there, but I'm wondering if Zesteria is even going to sell less than Xillia 2.

What I'm saying is, I think people who wouldn't normally have bought JRPG's or maybe would have bought them but not a Persona game, picked up P4G if they got a Vita.  It probably attracted a wider audience than the IP would have alone.

Anyway, maybe this whole argument will be decided for us anyway.  After all, Atlus is SEGA now.  Which means Persona 5 won't come to the west because SEGA.  

Do you think it will sell 1 million in Japan alone? ololol.

In my wet dreams, Persona usurps FFXIII-2 and Tales to become the only million selling HD JRPG aside from FFXIII in Japan. In the meantime, 1 mil worldwide will suffice!

But I think to get to 1 million it's going to need digital + shipped numbers, yeah.

I think so too, but if you had to bet either way - over or under 1 mil for shipped+digital - which would you choose? This part is vitally important



Lawlight said:

How ironic when you don't have numbers yourself.

Oh?

pezus said:

Global Software by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
PS3 135,883,895 (+7%) 762,544,877
X360 116,452,207 (-12%) 835,993,937
Wii 40,593,999 (-43%) 866,987,924

Global 


Show me a better set of worldwide sales numbers.



                            

That's great news!!!! I'm pretty sure many other games had already hit the number and still under-tracked by vgchartz.



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Carl2291 said:
Lawlight said:

How ironic when you don't have numbers yourself.

Oh?

pezus said:

Global Software by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
PS3 135,883,895 (+7%) 762,544,877
X360 116,452,207 (-12%) 835,993,937
Wii 40,593,999 (-43%) 866,987,924

Global 


Show me a better set of worldwide sales numbers.


There are no good worldwide sales numbers because MS never released that information so there's no way to know. But if vgchartz is to believed, the PS3 is about to pass the DS's software sales numbers.