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awesomeabe1998 on 05 January 2014
BeElite said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

The main way to determine which console to purchase is by software. To differentiate between PS, XB, and Ninty is by exclusives. Ninty consoles has the most and best exclusives.


Yahh deny 3rd party importance casue U has none.  The same games each gen does not equal best exclusives, wake me up when Ninty makes a platformer or racers that does not feature Mario.

If you go by purchase is by software then PS4 is the only choice, all the 3rd partygames best most diverse exclusives and most indies.



I know Wii U does not have 3rd party support except for some AAA main games like COD AC4 and Watch Dogs. Nintendo consoles dont need 3rd party games since they have 1st party games from almost every genre. XB1 has just as much 3rd party games as the PS4 but 2 or so fewer exclusives. Ninty consoles have more diverse exlcusives than Sony consoles. I am not going to lie. I have no interest in Indies so I cannot argue with you on that part of your post. 

Platformers and Racers without Mario:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing!

Platformers and Racers without Mario as Main Character:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing! Mario Kart.

Nintendo First Parties:

Action/ Action-Adventure: Metroid, Zelda, Star Fox, Eternal Darkness (not sure if Action-Adventure)
Racing: Diddy Kong racing, MK, F-Zero
Fighting: SSB, Punch Out
RPG: Pokemon, Earthbound (Not sure if RPG), X
Sports: Strikers charged and all other Mario Spin offs, Mario and Sonic at Olympic Games, Wii Sports
Srategy: Pikmin
Minigame collections: Mario Party, Wii Party
Platformers: Mario, DK, Kirby, Yoshi



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eFKac on 05 January 2014
superhippy420 said:
The hype will die down now that PS4/Xbone will be releasing almost nothing for months on end. That was the Wii U's biggest problem. It actually had a really good launch, but gamers now have become accustomed to a new AAA game being released atleast once a month, and some months there can be up to 5 top notch games. Wii U had one top notch game, Lego City Undercover, over the course of 8 months, and even that is more like a solid mid-level title. Just go look at the lineups for the PS4/Xbone and it pretty much kills the hype just by reading it.

January - Tomb Raider Definitive
February - Rayman Legends,Lego Movie Game, Thief
March - Driveclub,Infamous 3, Titanfall
April - Dying Light, MLB The Show.

6 games that will be released on PS3/360. A zombie game that looks like Dead Island. Another racing game. Infamous 3 looks solid, but the 1st 2 only sold 4 million combined so I really doubt it will move the needle in terms of sales. I don't know about you guys but I am way more excited for Donkey Kong and Mario Kart for that time frame.

Another Donkey Kong and another Mario Kart? Great selection of games really.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

Greatness Awaits!

superhippy420 on 05 January 2014
zorg1000 said:
Touma said:
zorg1000 said:
Touma said:

The GameCube had a lot of good games "made Nintendo" and yet sales was not so great. They need to be supported by the third party to attract new buyers, this is why the number of potential buyers is much better for the PS4 and XB1.


The original Xbox had great third party support with the best versions of multiplats, most powerful, best online, multimedia functions, reasonable price and big exclusives like Halo/Fable/KOTOR/Elder Scrolls/Doom/Gotham Racing yet it sold less than 25m.

360 fared much better because of the year head start and massive price advantage over PS3 in the first half of the gen and Kinect which revitalized 360 sales in the second half of the gen. It doesnt have those advantages over PS4 and the Kinect popularity has died down drastically.

The Xbox brand has definitely grown since the original Xbox but its very possible that One sales are much less than 360 and that Playstation retakes a large part of the hardcore crowd 360 was able to steal from PS2.

Because the original Xbox was a new brand, at that time people just knew Nintendo, Sega and Sony for the video games, trust is earned over time, and yes it's possible that XB1 sales are less that 360 but the gap will not be as big as in the sixth generation, sales in america will be good, it's important for microsoft.

Def not as big a gap in the 6th gen but Japan is irrelevent for Xbox and Europe doesnt look like its going to be so hot plus America isnt very loyal when it comes to consoles.

2nd gen Atari dominated

3rd gen Nintendo dominated

4th gen Nintendo & Sega had a close battle

5th gen Sony clearly won with Nintendo having a respectable 2nd

6th gen Sony dominated

7th gen Nintendo dominated first half, Microsoft dominated 2nd half and Sony was in a distant but respectable 3rd

America just chooses what is the must have console at the time and the high price of Xbox plus mistakes that Nintendo has made lead me to believe Sony will have a strong hold of the American market. The $200 price difference could make the battle between Xbox and Wii U much closer than many believe in the early going. I have no doubt that Xbox will outsell Wii U in the long run but 2014 could be a relatively close battle with both having big guns release, Wii U-Donkey Kong/Mario Kart/Smash Bros, Xbox-TitanFall/Halo. Multiplats wont help as much on One as they did on 360 with PS4 having a huge advantage in Europe (70-30 split) and probably an advantage in America (60-40 split).

By the end of 2014 I could see both Wii U and Xbox around 10m with either one having a chance at being slightly higher than the other. 2015 could see Xbox start to pull ahead by a few million and the gap increase each year.

7th gen is really different compared to the others.  In terms of hardware, all 3 did really well but in terms of 1st party software, Nintendo wiped the floor with the other 2.   They outsold Microsoft and Sony in terms of 1st party software combined, even if you take out Wii Sports.   PS3's 1st party software only sold 91 million (Gamecube sold 70 million, just for comparison) and that was with almost twice as many games as the Gamecube.  If it was'nt for COD, GTA, and FIFA, Sony might now have even made it to the PS4.   I know we see alot of 3DS/Wii U comparisons but the best one to make is that the 3DS library was pretty lame early on, but over the course of about 2 years its become so good that Nintendo has now completly burried the VIta, and is thriveing at a time when tablets were suppossed to be destroying them.  The Wii U's library early on was also pretty lame but I see the same pattern.  By the end of the year the library is going to be looking really nice, and by the end of 2015 its going to be a must own console.



superhippy420 on 05 January 2014
BeElite said:
superhippy420 said:
The hype will die down now that PS4/Xbone will be releasing almost nothing for months on end. That was the Wii U's biggest problem. It actually had a really good launch, but gamers now have become accustomed to a new AAA game being released atleast once a month, and some months there can be up to 5 top notch games. Wii U had one top notch game, Lego City Undercover, over the course of 8 months, and even that is more like a solid mid-level title. Just go look at the lineups for the PS4/Xbone and it pretty much kills the hype just by reading it.

January - Tomb Raider Definitive
February - Rayman Legends,Lego Movie Game, Thief
March - Driveclub,Infamous 3, Titanfall
April - Dying Light, MLB The Show.

6 games that will be released on PS3/360. A zombie game that looks like Dead Island. Another racing game. Infamous 3 looks solid, but the 1st 2 only sold 4 million combined so I really doubt it will move the needle in terms of sales. I don't know about you guys but I am way more excited for Donkey Kong and Mario Kart for that time frame.

Why not post release dates for Ninty software if you are making a comparision.

January - Wii Fit U

February - Donkey Kong, Lego Movie Game

March -

April - Mario Kart 8

 

Nintendo ussually only puts out offical release dates about 1.5 - 2 months before launch so I wouldnt be shocked if Bayonetta or something else comes out in March.    Like I said DK and Mario Kart are both out in the same time frame and both look better then anything I have seen on the other 2.   Infamous looks solid but I really didnt like the 1st two.  I am actually less impressed with Titanfall then I was when they 1st showed it, and if I really want to play Thief I will just get the 360 version.



BeElite on 05 January 2014
awesomeabe1998 said:
BeElite said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

The main way to determine which console to purchase is by software. To differentiate between PS, XB, and Ninty is by exclusives. Ninty consoles has the most and best exclusives.


Yahh deny 3rd party importance casue U has none.  The same games each gen does not equal best exclusives, wake me up when Ninty makes a platformer or racers that does not feature Mario.

If you go by purchase is by software then PS4 is the only choice, all the 3rd partygames best most diverse exclusives and most indies.



I know Wii U does not have 3rd party support except for some AAA main games like COD AC4 and Watch Dogs. Nintendo consoles dont need 3rd party games since they have 1st party games from almost every genre. XB1 has just as much 3rd party games as the PS4 but 2 or so fewer exclusives. Ninty consoles have more diverse exlcusives than Sony consoles. I am not going to lie. I have no interest in Indies so I cannot argue with you on that part of your post. 

Platformers and Racers without Mario:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing!

Platformers and Racers without Mario as Main Character:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing! Mario Kart.

Nintendo First Parties:

Action/ Action-Adventure: Metroid, Zelda, Star Fox, Eternal Darkness (not sure if Action-Adventure)
Racing: Diddy Kong racing, MK, F-Zero
Fighting: SSB, Punch Out
RPG: Pokemon, Earthbound (Not sure if RPG), X
Sports: Strikers charged and all other Mario Spin offs, Mario and Sonic at Olympic Games, Wii Sports
Srategy: Pikmin
Minigame collections: Mario Party, Wii Party
Platformers: Mario, DK, Kirby, Yoshi

 

LOL bolded part.  Tell that to N64 GC(especially) and now U

With delusional thinking like that i dont even know if there any point in a rebuttal.  But why not its all in good fun.

Yoshi Lugi are all from MArio same franchise nothing new there , last Fzero was a decade ago and give me a racer thats not a tie in spin of to nins other franchise (Mario DK).  Even SSb is just a mash up of Mario and others, nothing new.  Which is funny they got the know how to make a awesome fighitng game, how about use it to make a new franshise with NO mario in it.

All i see is Mario MArio Mario spin of Mario racing Mario party MArio brother and Marios buddy game Mario sports.

Your Arguing agaist Sonys cleary superior diversity with 90% mario content and franchises that havent had a full releases in many a years, get real dude.

 

 

 

 



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superhippy420 on 05 January 2014
eFKac said:
superhippy420 said:
The hype will die down now that PS4/Xbone will be releasing almost nothing for months on end. That was the Wii U's biggest problem. It actually had a really good launch, but gamers now have become accustomed to a new AAA game being released atleast once a month, and some months there can be up to 5 top notch games. Wii U had one top notch game, Lego City Undercover, over the course of 8 months, and even that is more like a solid mid-level title. Just go look at the lineups for the PS4/Xbone and it pretty much kills the hype just by reading it.

January - Tomb Raider Definitive
February - Rayman Legends,Lego Movie Game, Thief
March - Driveclub,Infamous 3, Titanfall
April - Dying Light, MLB The Show.

6 games that will be released on PS3/360. A zombie game that looks like Dead Island. Another racing game. Infamous 3 looks solid, but the 1st 2 only sold 4 million combined so I really doubt it will move the needle in terms of sales. I don't know about you guys but I am way more excited for Donkey Kong and Mario Kart for that time frame.

Another Donkey Kong and another Mario Kart? Great selection of games really.

Another Donkey Kong?   This is the 5th one in 20 years.   They cranked out 5 Halo's in 6 years.   

Mario Kart?  The last console one was 6 years ago and if you want to count the 3DS one that was still almost 3 years ago.

I'm sure Driveclub will be another generic racing game, the likes of which we see every 6 - 9 months.   Dying Light just looks like a ripoff of Dead Island.   Titanfall has potential but EA has been trash lately so it wouldnt shock me if it turned out to be all hype, no substance.   Like I said Infamous could be decent but the 1st two were nothing special, and going by the only 1.6 million Infamous 2's sold, I think most people would agree.



Max King of the Wild on 05 January 2014

Nothing special? lol, i love comments like that.



BeElite on 05 January 2014
superhippy420 said:
BeElite said:
superhippy420 said:
The hype will die down now that PS4/Xbone will be releasing almost nothing for months on end. That was the Wii U's biggest problem. It actually had a really good launch, but gamers now have become accustomed to a new AAA game being released atleast once a month, and some months there can be up to 5 top notch games. Wii U had one top notch game, Lego City Undercover, over the course of 8 months, and even that is more like a solid mid-level title. Just go look at the lineups for the PS4/Xbone and it pretty much kills the hype just by reading it.

January - Tomb Raider Definitive
February - Rayman Legends,Lego Movie Game, Thief
March - Driveclub,Infamous 3, Titanfall
April - Dying Light, MLB The Show.

6 games that will be released on PS3/360. A zombie game that looks like Dead Island. Another racing game. Infamous 3 looks solid, but the 1st 2 only sold 4 million combined so I really doubt it will move the needle in terms of sales. I don't know about you guys but I am way more excited for Donkey Kong and Mario Kart for that time frame.

Why not post release dates for Ninty software if you are making a comparision.

January - Wii Fit U

February - Donkey Kong, Lego Movie Game

March -

April - Mario Kart 8

 

Nintendo ussually only puts out offical release dates about 1.5 - 2 months before launch so I wouldnt be shocked if Bayonetta or something else comes out in March.    Like I said DK and Mario Kart are both out in the same time frame and both look better then anything I have seen on the other 2.   Infamous looks solid but I really didnt like the 1st two.  I am actually less impressed with Titanfall then I was when they 1st showed it, and if I really want to play Thief I will just get the 360 version.

 

Ok come april.

Why the hell would the average consumer choose U over the others ? 

If they want COD then need a PS or X, if they want Shooters(it is whats selling) they want a PS or X.  Come april and im a consumer looking to get into the new gen why in the hell am i gonna go for a consoel where their best games are exactly like the ones iv played decade ago ? There is no GTA coming to U and look how many are playign GTA5 now, why the hell would they choose WiiU as their next console ?

I just got a big 60" tv, im some what broke im only buying one console this gen why the hell am i gonna choose Wii U ???  Im buying my teen kid a console, why choose the Wii over the PS4 which all his friends want or have???

 

 



superhippy420 on 05 January 2014
BeElite said:
awesomeabe1998 said:
BeElite said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

The main way to determine which console to purchase is by software. To differentiate between PS, XB, and Ninty is by exclusives. Ninty consoles has the most and best exclusives.


Yahh deny 3rd party importance casue U has none.  The same games each gen does not equal best exclusives, wake me up when Ninty makes a platformer or racers that does not feature Mario.

If you go by purchase is by software then PS4 is the only choice, all the 3rd partygames best most diverse exclusives and most indies.



I know Wii U does not have 3rd party support except for some AAA main games like COD AC4 and Watch Dogs. Nintendo consoles dont need 3rd party games since they have 1st party games from almost every genre. XB1 has just as much 3rd party games as the PS4 but 2 or so fewer exclusives. Ninty consoles have more diverse exlcusives than Sony consoles. I am not going to lie. I have no interest in Indies so I cannot argue with you on that part of your post. 

Platformers and Racers without Mario:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing!

Platformers and Racers without Mario as Main Character:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing! Mario Kart.

Nintendo First Parties:

Action/ Action-Adventure: Metroid, Zelda, Star Fox, Eternal Darkness (not sure if Action-Adventure)
Racing: Diddy Kong racing, MK, F-Zero
Fighting: SSB, Punch Out
RPG: Pokemon, Earthbound (Not sure if RPG), X
Sports: Strikers charged and all other Mario Spin offs, Mario and Sonic at Olympic Games, Wii Sports
Srategy: Pikmin
Minigame collections: Mario Party, Wii Party
Platformers: Mario, DK, Kirby, Yoshi

 

LOL bolded part.  Tell that to N64 GC(especially) and now U

With delusional thinking like that i dont even know if there any point in a rebuttal.  But why not its all in good fun.

Yoshi Lugi are all from MArio same franchise nothing new there , last Fzero was a decade ago and give me a racer thats not a tie in spin of to nins other franchise (Mario DK).  Even SSb is just a mash up of Mario and others, nothing new.  Which is funny they got the know how to make a awesome fighitng game, how about use it to make a new franshise with NO mario in it.

All i see is Mario MArio Mario spin of Mario racing Mario party MArio brother and Marios buddy game Mario sports.

Your Arguing agaist Sonys cleary superior diversity with 90% mario content and franchises that havent had a full releases in many a years, get real dude.

 

 

 

 

Sony's Diversity?   I am including Vita/PSP games here FYI.  4 Uncharteds in 4 years.  5 Resistance in 6 years. 4 Killzone in 4 years. 8 releases of God of War in 5 years.  3 LBP in 4 years (1 of which was a "Kart" game").    Come on now, The Last of Us was the most unique thing Sony has done in years and people act like they are the new IP kings.    if it wasnt for COD,GTA, and Fifa the PS4 wouldnt even exist right now.



superhippy420 on 05 January 2014
BeElite said:
superhippy420 said:
BeElite said:
superhippy420 said:
The hype will die down now that PS4/Xbone will be releasing almost nothing for months on end. That was the Wii U's biggest problem. It actually had a really good launch, but gamers now have become accustomed to a new AAA game being released atleast once a month, and some months there can be up to 5 top notch games. Wii U had one top notch game, Lego City Undercover, over the course of 8 months, and even that is more like a solid mid-level title. Just go look at the lineups for the PS4/Xbone and it pretty much kills the hype just by reading it.

January - Tomb Raider Definitive
February - Rayman Legends,Lego Movie Game, Thief
March - Driveclub,Infamous 3, Titanfall
April - Dying Light, MLB The Show.

6 games that will be released on PS3/360. A zombie game that looks like Dead Island. Another racing game. Infamous 3 looks solid, but the 1st 2 only sold 4 million combined so I really doubt it will move the needle in terms of sales. I don't know about you guys but I am way more excited for Donkey Kong and Mario Kart for that time frame.

Why not post release dates for Ninty software if you are making a comparision.

January - Wii Fit U

February - Donkey Kong, Lego Movie Game

March -

April - Mario Kart 8

 

Nintendo ussually only puts out offical release dates about 1.5 - 2 months before launch so I wouldnt be shocked if Bayonetta or something else comes out in March.    Like I said DK and Mario Kart are both out in the same time frame and both look better then anything I have seen on the other 2.   Infamous looks solid but I really didnt like the 1st two.  I am actually less impressed with Titanfall then I was when they 1st showed it, and if I really want to play Thief I will just get the 360 version.

 

Ok come april.

Why the hell would the average consumer choose U over the others ? 

If they want COD then need a PS or X, if they want Shooters(it is whats selling) they want a PS or X.  Come april and im a consumer looking to get into the new gen why in the hell am i gonna go for a consoel where their best games are exactly like the ones iv played decade ago ? There is no GTA coming to U and look how many are playign GTA5 now, why the hell would they choose WiiU as their next console ?

I just got a big 60" tv, im some what broke im only buying one console this gen why the hell am i gonna choose Wii U ???  Im buying my teen kid a console, why choose the Wii over the PS4 which all his friends want or have???

 

 

Ok, well you can get a PS4 and play COD 10 (which is what Ghosts is) and then play 11,12,13,14,15, which is cool with me if thats your game but trying to make the case that you wont buy a Wii U because its games are the same as before then saying you want COD is a joke.   GTA V is selling well (I bought it too) because Rockstar made people wait a few years and developed an awesome game.  If those are the only two games you want, then go get a Xbone/PS4.   By the way the whole "shooters are whats selling" arguement is pretty much dead.  COD still sells well, otherwise Shooters in the last few years have been doing really poorly.  People have gotten sick of them, just like they got sick of side-scrollers, 3D platformers, and Japanese RPGs.