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zorg1000 on 05 January 2014
OttoniBastos said:
zorg1000 said:
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superhippy420 said:
BeElite said:
awesomeabe1998 said:
BeElite said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

The main way to determine which console to purchase is by software. To differentiate between PS, XB, and Ninty is by exclusives. Ninty consoles has the most and best exclusives.


Yahh deny 3rd party importance casue U has none.  The same games each gen does not equal best exclusives, wake me up when Ninty makes a platformer or racers that does not feature Mario.

If you go by purchase is by software then PS4 is the only choice, all the 3rd partygames best most diverse exclusives and most indies.



I know Wii U does not have 3rd party support except for some AAA main games like COD AC4 and Watch Dogs. Nintendo consoles dont need 3rd party games since they have 1st party games from almost every genre. XB1 has just as much 3rd party games as the PS4 but 2 or so fewer exclusives. Ninty consoles have more diverse exlcusives than Sony consoles. I am not going to lie. I have no interest in Indies so I cannot argue with you on that part of your post. 

Platformers and Racers without Mario:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing!

Platformers and Racers without Mario as Main Character:

Platformers: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Luigi
Racers: F-Zero!!!! Diddy Kong Racing! Mario Kart.

Nintendo First Parties:

Action/ Action-Adventure: Metroid, Zelda, Star Fox, Eternal Darkness (not sure if Action-Adventure)
Racing: Diddy Kong racing, MK, F-Zero
Fighting: SSB, Punch Out
RPG: Pokemon, Earthbound (Not sure if RPG), X
Sports: Strikers charged and all other Mario Spin offs, Mario and Sonic at Olympic Games, Wii Sports
Srategy: Pikmin
Minigame collections: Mario Party, Wii Party
Platformers: Mario, DK, Kirby, Yoshi

 

LOL bolded part.  Tell that to N64 GC(especially) and now U

With delusional thinking like that i dont even know if there any point in a rebuttal.  But why not its all in good fun.

Yoshi Lugi are all from MArio same franchise nothing new there , last Fzero was a decade ago and give me a racer thats not a tie in spin of to nins other franchise (Mario DK).  Even SSb is just a mash up of Mario and others, nothing new.  Which is funny they got the know how to make a awesome fighitng game, how about use it to make a new franshise with NO mario in it.

All i see is Mario MArio Mario spin of Mario racing Mario party MArio brother and Marios buddy game Mario sports.

Your Arguing agaist Sonys cleary superior diversity with 90% mario content and franchises that havent had a full releases in many a years, get real dude.

 

 

 

 

Sony's Diversity?   I am including Vita/PSP games here FYI.  4 Uncharteds in 4 years.  5 Resistance in 6 years. 4 Killzone in 4 years. 8 releases of God of War in 5 years.  3 LBP in 4 years (1 of which was a "Kart" game").    Come on now, The Last of Us was the most unique thing Sony has done in years and people act like they are the new IP kings.    if it wasnt for COD,GTA, and Fifa the PS4 wouldnt even exist right now.

I think he is trying to say that sony have more diversity in games GENRE. I mean, nintendo WII U have tons of cartoonish "Kiddy" platform exclusives but there is lack of more mature/harcore games.Sony on the other hand, Have great platformers(LBP,puppeteer,SLY), Driving(GT 5/6), FPShooters(Resistance and Killzone),RPG(Tales of Xillia,Ni no kuni,HD remasters),TPShooters (Uncharted and TLOU),Hack and slash(God of War) and a lot of japanese 3rd party exclusives coming soon.

Nintendo does have mature/hardcore games. Fire Emblem, Metroid, Zelda, Xenoblade fit into this category and if ur going to include 3rd party titles like Tales of Xillia for Sony then ill point out some 3rd party hardcore games on Nintendo consoles. The past two gens Nintendo has had exclusive Resident Evil games and Tales of Symphonia 1 & 2. Madworld, No More Heroes, Last Story, Red Steel, Bayonetta, Pandora's Tower, ZombiU, Monster Hunter Tri.

Does Wii U have Fire Emblem,Metroid or a mature Zelda yet?  i mean, i never said nintendo dont have mature franchise(F zero and Zelda TP style are good examples),but Wii U dont have GOOD mature exclusives yet and nintendo is trying to capture the casual that saved Wii last gen so they probably will continue to focus on cartoonish platformers.The only mature game(that i remember) that is coming to wii u right now is Bayonetta 2 and this is not a NINTENDO quality game,it's a dead franchise that don't sold very much and the small fan base are in PS360.

ZombiU, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3 are current hardcore games not found on competitors consoles. And yes Pikmin/W101 are hardcore despite being colorful. Other hardcore titles on the way include Bayonetta, X, Hyrule Warriors, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem.



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AAA300 on 05 January 2014
Hamister said:
AAA300 said:

There are too many threads on when will ps4xbox pass wii u its just plain stupid! I think its time to predict when the launch hype stops when all the hardcore have bought there brand of choice and sales slow down on the new systems. The hardcore crowd is not as big as most of the users here would like to belive and there is not a whole lot of games on the new console to convenience the average gamer to jump in.I think will see a drop faster than what most people would like outside of japans launch I think it dies down in late jan. early feb. Most games are on old and new consoles the average gamer has no big reason to buy a new console if cod or titanfall bf4 or madden are still on the old.PS3 had a big launch because of the hardcore fans and than it slowed considerable same with wii u so dont act like its not possible!  


Finally someone who's willing to make a reality check. I also believe we will see quite a dramatic slow down in sales for PS4 and XboxOne soon. I'd say the hype will ease off in early february for PS4 in the US and in Europe, and the same will happen fpr XboxOne a few weeks earlier in the territories where it was released last year. The Japanese PS4 launch will compensate for the slowdown in february and in march, and with a bit of luck maybe even in april. However from then on the hype will be gone. For XboxOne launches in new territories won't compensate for the slow down, leading to quite a bad spring and summer for Microsoft.

I'd say the hardcore market consists of 10-15 million consumers, so called very early adopters. They should be split quite even between XboxOne and PS4 (perhaps with a slight advantage to PS4). This means the hype in the hardcore community will ease off once the systems reach sales between 5-7,5 million respectively. The will start to ease off sometime between february and may depending on territory.

I think we will see very low sales of all three next generation systems during the summer, perhaps with Wii U being the only positive surprise thanks to Mario Kart 8's expected broad appeal. Not that I think Wii U will outsell PS4 in the summer, but it migh actually perform better than expected, while the others perform either slightly lower than expected, or in XboxOne's case, really bad.

 

The hype for PS4 and XboxOne will kick in again in september, when we will see the first true next generation releases for those systems, and the main stream market will begin to jump on board.

All the above might lead to PS4 overtake Wii U sales in september/october, instead of april/may as some people take for granted. And XboxOne might not overtake Wii U until early 2015.

The sad thing is when things slow down will hear the smart phone tablet eating into the console market argument when the truth is there are only so many early adopters in the console market and the rest will sit back and wait for a bigger selection of games! 



BeElite on 06 January 2014
superhippy420 said:
BeElite said:
superhippy420 said:
BeElite said:
superhippy420 said:
The hype will die down now that PS4/Xbone will be releasing almost nothing for months on end. That was the Wii U's biggest problem. It actually had a really good launch, but gamers now have become accustomed to a new AAA game being released atleast once a month, and some months there can be up to 5 top notch games. Wii U had one top notch game, Lego City Undercover, over the course of 8 months, and even that is more like a solid mid-level title. Just go look at the lineups for the PS4/Xbone and it pretty much kills the hype just by reading it.

January - Tomb Raider Definitive
February - Rayman Legends,Lego Movie Game, Thief
March - Driveclub,Infamous 3, Titanfall
April - Dying Light, MLB The Show.

6 games that will be released on PS3/360. A zombie game that looks like Dead Island. Another racing game. Infamous 3 looks solid, but the 1st 2 only sold 4 million combined so I really doubt it will move the needle in terms of sales. I don't know about you guys but I am way more excited for Donkey Kong and Mario Kart for that time frame.

Why not post release dates for Ninty software if you are making a comparision.

January - Wii Fit U

February - Donkey Kong, Lego Movie Game

March -

April - Mario Kart 8

 

Nintendo ussually only puts out offical release dates about 1.5 - 2 months before launch so I wouldnt be shocked if Bayonetta or something else comes out in March.    Like I said DK and Mario Kart are both out in the same time frame and both look better then anything I have seen on the other 2.   Infamous looks solid but I really didnt like the 1st two.  I am actually less impressed with Titanfall then I was when they 1st showed it, and if I really want to play Thief I will just get the 360 version.

 

Ok come april.

Why the hell would the average consumer choose U over the others ? 

If they want COD then need a PS or X, if they want Shooters(it is whats selling) they want a PS or X.  Come april and im a consumer looking to get into the new gen why in the hell am i gonna go for a consoel where their best games are exactly like the ones iv played decade ago ? There is no GTA coming to U and look how many are playign GTA5 now, why the hell would they choose WiiU as their next console ?

I just got a big 60" tv, im some what broke im only buying one console this gen why the hell am i gonna choose Wii U ???  Im buying my teen kid a console, why choose the Wii over the PS4 which all his friends want or have???

 

 

Ok, well you can get a PS4 and play COD 10 (which is what Ghosts is) and then play 11,12,13,14,15, which is cool with me if thats your game but trying to make the case that you wont buy a Wii U because its games are the same as before then saying you want COD is a joke.   GTA V is selling well (I bought it too) because Rockstar made people wait a few years and developed an awesome game.  If those are the only two games you want, then go get a Xbone/PS4.   By the way the whole "shooters are whats selling" arguement is pretty much dead.  COD still sells well, otherwise Shooters in the last few years have been doing really poorly.  People have gotten sick of them, just like they got sick of side-scrollers, 3D platformers, and Japanese RPGs.

 

Ghosts sucks, but im not delusonal and accept COD is what people want now.  And WiiU is NOT the console of choice for one of the most played franchises these days.  What the masses play might suck but they are playing it and Ninty does not cater to them thus their sales are a joke and then some, they seem to have the same delusional mentality you have.  

If shooters are selling poorly, define Wiiu sales then... joke abysymal ? might as well quit ?

Peopel are more sick of Nins recycling the same game same franchises same character, or have you not seen WiiU sales comapred to PS4 and Xbone.



BeElite on 06 January 2014
superhippy420 said:

By the way if you are waiting for GTA VI then yes thats why you should get a Wii U now instead.  theres actually games to play and GTA VI wont be out until atleast 2016, maybe even 2017.


I have a wiiu and theres nothing to play on it, keep being delusional and telling yourself there is as you tell your self all NInty need is their own games (cough GC cough)  I have all 3 and see WiiU as a dead right now, and mario games will not save it.  Incase you forgot GC had mario also, lot of good it did that console.



BeElite on 06 January 2014
zorg1000 said:

 

 


I really like that u say Nintendo games are the same as a decade ago then u use Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto as examples for PS/Xbox. U do realize that CoD started in 2003 and GTA in 1997?

Also most of the best sellers on PS3/360 were from 10+ year old franchises. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Fable, Ratchet & Clank, Street Fighter, Need for Speed, Splinter Cell, Fable, Far Cry, Medal of Honor, Ghost Recon are all over 10 years old.

Im not saying there werent new ip released in the last decade, just pointing out ur double standard.

Im saying GTA COD is what the people want and are not gonna play on the U but since that is what the masses are playing, they are not gonna buy a WiiU

understand now ?



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game_on on 06 January 2014
whatever said:
game_on said:
pezus said:

Wat. I'd say it has only grown, as seen in PS360's later years. This is opposite to the casual crowd, that has gotten much smaller.


No. It's not. You can tell by the slow sales of the Wii U which is targeting a more hardcore audience than the Wii. The hardcore gamer is a relatively small group and the casuals have long gone to tablets and smartphones.

Sales of the Wii U tell us nothing about the hardcore crowd.  Just because Nintendo targeted a more hardcore audience, doesn't mean they responded to it.

The hardcore, for the most part, waited to see what was coming from Sony and MS.  I don't know if there will be as many consoles sold this gen (the Wii really skewed the numbers last gen), but the hardcore audience is certainly larger now as more kids have grown up with video games.

It tells something, at least that the Nintendo audience is not really into hardcore gaming besides Mario. And true that many gamers waited for the next MS and Sony console, but what persued them to buying one? The next Call of Duty? Which is playable on the old consoles with slighty less pixels? I think these are the fans who wanted to buy the next console no matter what. As for the youth, I seriously doubt what you are saying. If you look at what youngsters are interested in these days, if I look at my own daughter, my nices and nephews... They had PS3/Xbox 360 and the Wii. I asked them if they wanted next-gen, nope. They're saving up money for tablets and laptops. If it was not for me, there would not have been a Wii U in my house, my daughter was surprised I bought a console to play the same Mario only on a different platform. I'll probably buy an Xbox One next year or so, when (or IF!) there are some games worth buying it for. But for now, meh.



whatever on 06 January 2014
game_on said:

It tells something, at least that the Nintendo audience is not really into hardcore gaming besides Mario. And true that many gamers waited for the next MS and Sony console, but what persued them to buying one? The next Call of Duty? Which is playable on the old consoles with slighty less pixels? I think these are the fans who wanted to buy the next console no matter what. As for the youth, I seriously doubt what you are saying. If you look at what youngsters are interested in these days, if I look at my own daughter, my nices and nephews... They had PS3/Xbox 360 and the Wii. I asked them if they wanted next-gen, nope. They're saving up money for tablets and laptops. If it was not for me, there would not have been a Wii U in my house, my daughter was surprised I bought a console to play the same Mario only on a different platform. I'll probably buy an Xbox One next year or so, when (or IF!) there are some games worth buying it for. But for now, meh.

Why would you assume that all youth are like your daughter?  My teen sons and all of their friends are getting PS4s.  I'm not going to assume this means that all teen boys are getting PS4s.



zorg1000 on 06 January 2014
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 


I really like that u say Nintendo games are the same as a decade ago then u use Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto as examples for PS/Xbox. U do realize that CoD started in 2003 and GTA in 1997?

Also most of the best sellers on PS3/360 were from 10+ year old franchises. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Fable, Ratchet & Clank, Street Fighter, Need for Speed, Splinter Cell, Fable, Far Cry, Medal of Honor, Ghost Recon are all over 10 years old.

Im not saying there werent new ip released in the last decade, just pointing out ur double standard.

Im saying GTA COD is what the people want and are not gonna play on the U but since that is what the masses are playing, they are not gonna buy a WiiU

understand now ?

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said. All I did was point out that u critisized Nintendo for relying on 10+ year old games and showing u that Sony/Microsoft do as well.

My post had nothing to do with popularity/sales. Understand now?



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game_on on 06 January 2014
whatever said:
game_on said:

It tells something, at least that the Nintendo audience is not really into hardcore gaming besides Mario. And true that many gamers waited for the next MS and Sony console, but what persued them to buying one? The next Call of Duty? Which is playable on the old consoles with slighty less pixels? I think these are the fans who wanted to buy the next console no matter what. As for the youth, I seriously doubt what you are saying. If you look at what youngsters are interested in these days, if I look at my own daughter, my nices and nephews... They had PS3/Xbox 360 and the Wii. I asked them if they wanted next-gen, nope. They're saving up money for tablets and laptops. If it was not for me, there would not have been a Wii U in my house, my daughter was surprised I bought a console to play the same Mario only on a different platform. I'll probably buy an Xbox One next year or so, when (or IF!) there are some games worth buying it for. But for now, meh.

Why would you assume that all youth are like your daughter?  My teen sons and all of their friends are getting PS4s.  I'm not going to assume this means that all teen boys are getting PS4s.

Ofcourse, annecdotical small numbers don't make facts. But it's what I see in my direct and more indirect environment (children of colleagues etc.) and combined with articles I read about the rising popularity of tablets and the oldfashioned business models of consoles, this is what I think will be the future of the next gens. But it's only a prediction, I don't have a crystal ball. Time will tell...



BeElite on 06 January 2014
zorg1000 said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 


I really like that u say Nintendo games are the same as a decade ago then u use Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto as examples for PS/Xbox. U do realize that CoD started in 2003 and GTA in 1997?

Also most of the best sellers on PS3/360 were from 10+ year old franchises. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Fable, Ratchet & Clank, Street Fighter, Need for Speed, Splinter Cell, Fable, Far Cry, Medal of Honor, Ghost Recon are all over 10 years old.

Im not saying there werent new ip released in the last decade, just pointing out ur double standard.

Im saying GTA COD is what the people want and are not gonna play on the U but since that is what the masses are playing, they are not gonna buy a WiiU

understand now ?

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said. All I did was point out that u critisized Nintendo for relying on 10+ year old games and showing u that Sony/Microsoft do as well.

My post had nothing to do with popularity/sales. Understand now?

Im criticizing the fact im playing a Mario on the U damn near same as one 25 years ago.  Im criticizing the nin supporters show of Nins diversity half of it had Mario in the title.

Sony and MS also make new franchises, Look at NG crash Jak Uncharted LAstofUS and now rumors of another new Ip.  Sony is not afraid to make new franchies and experiment with stuff,  Nin makes the same thing over and over and over for nearly 3 decades now.  Theya are failing and deserve to, be it lazyness or fear of risk.  Unless they start making new games they deserve to fail.   I'm also criticizing the stupidty of Ninty supporters saying Nin dont need 3rd partys... Maybe they are to young to remeber GC or N64.