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BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 


I really like that u say Nintendo games are the same as a decade ago then u use Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto as examples for PS/Xbox. U do realize that CoD started in 2003 and GTA in 1997?

Also most of the best sellers on PS3/360 were from 10+ year old franchises. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Fable, Ratchet & Clank, Street Fighter, Need for Speed, Splinter Cell, Fable, Far Cry, Medal of Honor, Ghost Recon are all over 10 years old.

Im not saying there werent new ip released in the last decade, just pointing out ur double standard.

Im saying GTA COD is what the people want and are not gonna play on the U but since that is what the masses are playing, they are not gonna buy a WiiU

understand now ?

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said. All I did was point out that u critisized Nintendo for relying on 10+ year old games and showing u that Sony/Microsoft do as well.

My post had nothing to do with popularity/sales. Understand now?

Im criticizing the fact im playing a Mario on the U damn near same as one 25 years ago.  Im criticizing the nin supporters show of Nins diversity half of it had Mario in the title.

Sony and MS also make new franchises, Look at NG crash Jak Uncharted LAstofUS and now rumors of another new Ip.  Sony is not afraid to make new franchies and experiment with stuff,  Nin makes the same thing over and over and over for nearly 3 decades now.  Theya are failing and deserve to, be it lazyness or fear of risk.  Unless they start making new games they deserve to fail.   I'm also criticizing the stupidty of Ninty supporters saying Nin dont need 3rd partys... Maybe they are to young to remeber GC or N64.

 


Again ur going off on tangents that have nothing to do with my first reply to u. But anyway I hope u realize that Nintendo has released multiple new Ip in every decade.

80s-Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Punch Out, Kid Icarus, Excite Bike

 

 

90s-Kirby, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Pokemon, Smash Bros

 

 


2000s-Pikmin, Battalion Wars, Wii Series, Endless Ocean, Brain Training, Nintendogs

2010s-Xenoblade, Steel Diver, Dillons Rolling Western, Wonderful 101



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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zorg1000 said:

 


Again ur going off on tangents that have nothing to do with my first reply to u. But anyway I hope u realize that Nintendo has released multiple new Ip in every decade.

 

80s-Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Punch Out, Kid Icarus, Excite Bike

 

 

90s-Kirby, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Pokemon, Smash Bros

 

 


 

2000s-Pikmin, Battalion Wars, Wii Series, Endless Ocean, Brain Training, Nintendogs

2010s-Xenoblade, Steel Diver, Dillons Rolling Western, Wonderful 101


uhuh

Infamous, MotorStorm, Uncharted, Last of US, Resistance, Mag, Warhawk, Beyond: Two Souls, Sorcery, ModNation Racers, Lair, Starhawk, All-Stars Battle Royale, Demon's Souls, Folklore, The Fight: Lights Out, The Eye of Judgment, Little Big planet, Puppeteer, Heavy Rain, Sports Champions, White Knight.

Only PS3 gen did not even include PSP or PSN only games, see now im confidnt Sony will make plenty new franchises but ninty im not so sure especialy going by what you posted.  they way things are going youd be lucky to see Metroid on the U.



AAA300 said:

There are too many threads on when will ps4xbox pass wii u its just plain stupid! I think its time to predict when the launch hype stops when all the hardcore have bought there brand of choice and sales slow down on the new systems. The hardcore crowd is not as big as most of the users here would like to belive and there is not a whole lot of games on the new console to convenience the average gamer to jump in.I think will see a drop faster than what most people would like outside of japans launch I think it dies down in late jan. early feb. Most games are on old and new consoles the average gamer has no big reason to buy a new console if cod or titanfall bf4 or madden are still on the old.PS3 had a big launch because of the hardcore fans and than it slowed considerable same with wii u so dont act like its not possible!  

Launch hype has nothing to do with hardcore but mainstream gamers. 
You need actual hardcore games or well games at all for hardcore gamers to be hyped. (but I highly doubt real hardcore gamers care about something stupid like hyping up a game)  Thats not the case with  console launches. Its for mainstream gamers for people that fall for marketing and bullshots etc. The easily impressed people.

How did the COD dev say? "people that play COD are not gamers". And he is right they are mainstreamers.  People that watch G.I.Joe are also not cineasts/movie buffs they are mainstreamers too.

And to answer your question. it will stop when people grow a brain.... when our society does a 180° maybe in 500 years otherwhise NEVER because we will end up in an idiocracy.



BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 


I really like that u say Nintendo games are the same as a decade ago then u use Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto as examples for PS/Xbox. U do realize that CoD started in 2003 and GTA in 1997?

Also most of the best sellers on PS3/360 were from 10+ year old franchises. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Fable, Ratchet & Clank, Street Fighter, Need for Speed, Splinter Cell, Fable, Far Cry, Medal of Honor, Ghost Recon are all over 10 years old.

Im not saying there werent new ip released in the last decade, just pointing out ur double standard.

Im saying GTA COD is what the people want and are not gonna play on the U but since that is what the masses are playing, they are not gonna buy a WiiU

understand now ?

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said. All I did was point out that u critisized Nintendo for relying on 10+ year old games and showing u that Sony/Microsoft do as well.

My post had nothing to do with popularity/sales. Understand now?

Im criticizing the fact im playing a Mario on the U damn near same as one 25 years ago.  Im criticizing the nin supporters show of Nins diversity half of it had Mario in the title.

Sony and MS also make new franchises, Look at NG crash Jak Uncharted LAstofUS and now rumors of another new Ip.  Sony is not afraid to make new franchies and experiment with stuff,  Nin makes the same thing over and over and over for nearly 3 decades now.  Theya are failing and deserve to, be it lazyness or fear of risk.  Unless they start making new games they deserve to fail.   I'm also criticizing the stupidty of Ninty supporters saying Nin dont need 3rd partys... Maybe they are to young to remeber GC or N64.

 


Use that brain of yours.. Now really think about this here... WHY do you think Nintendo keeps making these 2d Mario games (and other Nintendo franchises)? Because people keep buying them! 

Got that? Cool..

Now.. WHY is it you think people keep buying it? Maybe because it's QUALITY! *gasp* perplexing concept I know!

Also, new franchises don't mean jack if they aren't of quality.

I will agree that Nintendo game quality has declined massively of late compared to Wii era nintendo, and ESPECIALLY NES/SNES era Nintendo, but even the current, declining Nintendo games are STILL about 100x greater quality than most of the boring, generic, and formulaic games you will find on Sony and MS's consoles; games that are riddled with endless cutscenes, unnecessarily complex control schemes, and stupidly easy linear gameplay.



Metallicube said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 


I really like that u say Nintendo games are the same as a decade ago then u use Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto as examples for PS/Xbox. U do realize that CoD started in 2003 and GTA in 1997?

Also most of the best sellers on PS3/360 were from 10+ year old franchises. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Fable, Ratchet & Clank, Street Fighter, Need for Speed, Splinter Cell, Fable, Far Cry, Medal of Honor, Ghost Recon are all over 10 years old.

Im not saying there werent new ip released in the last decade, just pointing out ur double standard.

Im saying GTA COD is what the people want and are not gonna play on the U but since that is what the masses are playing, they are not gonna buy a WiiU

understand now ?

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said. All I did was point out that u critisized Nintendo for relying on 10+ year old games and showing u that Sony/Microsoft do as well.

My post had nothing to do with popularity/sales. Understand now?

Im criticizing the fact im playing a Mario on the U damn near same as one 25 years ago.  Im criticizing the nin supporters show of Nins diversity half of it had Mario in the title.

Sony and MS also make new franchises, Look at NG crash Jak Uncharted LAstofUS and now rumors of another new Ip.  Sony is not afraid to make new franchies and experiment with stuff,  Nin makes the same thing over and over and over for nearly 3 decades now.  Theya are failing and deserve to, be it lazyness or fear of risk.  Unless they start making new games they deserve to fail.   I'm also criticizing the stupidty of Ninty supporters saying Nin dont need 3rd partys... Maybe they are to young to remeber GC or N64.

 


Use that brain of yours.. Now really think about this here... WHY do you think Nintendo keeps making these 2d Mario games (and other Nintendo franchises)? Because people keep buying them! 

Got that? Cool..

Now.. WHY is it you think people keep buying it? Maybe because it's QUALITY! *gasp* perplexing concept I know!

Also, new franchises don't mean jack if they aren't of quality.

I will agree that Nintendo game quality has declined massively of late compared to Wii era nintendo, and ESPECIALLY NES/SNES era Nintendo, but even the current, declining Nintendo games are STILL about 100x greater quality than most of the boring, generic, and formulaic games you will find on Sony and MS's consoles; games that are riddled with endless cutscenes, unnecessarily complex control schemes, and stupidly easy linear gameplay.


Ohh yahh new franchises from last gen like Uncharted or Last of Us Mass effect Arent quality nuf for ninty supporters, not Marioesque enough and storylines way to complex for ninty supporters, also not enough cartoonin colours for anyone to ever enjoy.  And way to complex control scheme for the champions of waggle.

They make em cause its safe selling the same character with the same lack of story and same simpleton controls to their adoring delusional fanbase. 



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BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 


Again ur going off on tangents that have nothing to do with my first reply to u. But anyway I hope u realize that Nintendo has released multiple new Ip in every decade.

 

80s-Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Punch Out, Kid Icarus, Excite Bike

 

 

90s-Kirby, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Pokemon, Smash Bros

 

 


 

2000s-Pikmin, Battalion Wars, Wii Series, Endless Ocean, Brain Training, Nintendogs

2010s-Xenoblade, Steel Diver, Dillons Rolling Western, Wonderful 101


uhuh

Infamous, MotorStorm, Uncharted, Last of US, Resistance, Mag, Warhawk, Beyond: Two Souls, Sorcery, ModNation Racers, Lair, Starhawk, All-Stars Battle Royale, Demon's Souls, Folklore, The Fight: Lights Out, The Eye of Judgment, Little Big planet, Puppeteer, Heavy Rain, Sports Champions, White Knight.

Only PS3 gen did not even include PSP or PSN only games, see now im confidnt Sony will make plenty new franchises but ninty im not so sure especialy going by what you posted.  they way things are going youd be lucky to see Metroid on the U.

Ur being pretty ignorant. First u say Nintendo doesnt make new games then I show u an incomplete list proving they make multiple new games each and every decade and now u change ur argument to "but sony makes more". This isnt a contest, im not disputing that Sony/Microsoft/3rd parties make new ip. U seem to be bashing Nintendo for the sake of it. If u dont like them or there games dont appeal to u thats fine and critisizing them is fine as well but make sure ur critism is actually warranted.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:

 


Again ur going off on tangents that have nothing to do with my first reply to u. But anyway I hope u realize that Nintendo has released multiple new Ip in every decade.

 

80s-Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Punch Out, Kid Icarus, Excite Bike

 

 

90s-Kirby, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Pokemon, Smash Bros

 

 


 

2000s-Pikmin, Battalion Wars, Wii Series, Endless Ocean, Brain Training, Nintendogs

2010s-Xenoblade, Steel Diver, Dillons Rolling Western, Wonderful 101


uhuh

Infamous, MotorStorm, Uncharted, Last of US, Resistance, Mag, Warhawk, Beyond: Two Souls, Sorcery, ModNation Racers, Lair, Starhawk, All-Stars Battle Royale, Demon's Souls, Folklore, The Fight: Lights Out, The Eye of Judgment, Little Big planet, Puppeteer, Heavy Rain, Sports Champions, White Knight.

Only PS3 gen did not even include PSP or PSN only games, see now im confidnt Sony will make plenty new franchises but ninty im not so sure especialy going by what you posted.  they way things are going youd be lucky to see Metroid on the U.

Ur being pretty ignorant. First u say Nintendo doesnt make new games then I show u an incomplete list proving they make multiple new games each and every decade and now u change ur argument to "but sony makes more". This isnt a contest, im not disputing that Sony/Microsoft/3rd parties make new ip. U seem to be bashing Nintendo for the sake of it. If u dont like them or there games dont appeal to u thats fine and critisizing them is fine as well but make sure ur critism is actually warranted.

Your pathetic list proves it is, or did i not show you what their competition did in a single gen.  And why is half of what you posted for handheld, were discussing consoles here.   You know why, casue nin hardly takes the risk to create new content on console.  You had little to post.

Im bashing them casue they deserve it and then some, a year after realese what quality major game is a new ip on the U ? 101  is that it?

Made weak hardware, made weird controller tablet but made no game to show its strengths... brilliant.  Ill take em two years before they get one awesome looking new ip out, X.  All any one that is not a blind ninty supporter can do is critizise, they have done nothing that deserves legit praise.  Untill X i hope.



BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:
BeElite said:
zorg1000 said:


 

I would like to point out that u have changed ur argument with each new response. Ill give a brief summary of our conversation.

You: Nintendo relies on decade old franchises. COD/GTA are better!!!!!

Me: COD/GTA are over a decade old as well. List of other popular, high selling decade old franchises on PS/Xbox

You: but they make new ip as well. Nintendo doesnt.

Me: list showing Nintendo makes at least a few new ip for each and every platform.

You: But Sony makes more!!!!!!



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

BeElite said:
Metallicube said:
BeElite said:

Im criticizing the fact im playing a Mario on the U damn near same as one 25 years ago.  Im criticizing the nin supporters show of Nins diversity half of it had Mario in the title.

Sony and MS also make new franchises, Look at NG crash Jak Uncharted LAstofUS and now rumors of another new Ip.  Sony is not afraid to make new franchies and experiment with stuff,  Nin makes the same thing over and over and over for nearly 3 decades now.  Theya are failing and deserve to, be it lazyness or fear of risk.  Unless they start making new games they deserve to fail.   I'm also criticizing the stupidty of Ninty supporters saying Nin dont need 3rd partys... Maybe they are to young to remeber GC or N64.

 


Use that brain of yours.. Now really think about this here... WHY do you think Nintendo keeps making these 2d Mario games (and other Nintendo franchises)? Because people keep buying them! 

Got that? Cool..

Now.. WHY is it you think people keep buying it? Maybe because it's QUALITY! *gasp* perplexing concept I know!

Also, new franchises don't mean jack if they aren't of quality.

I will agree that Nintendo game quality has declined massively of late compared to Wii era nintendo, and ESPECIALLY NES/SNES era Nintendo, but even the current, declining Nintendo games are STILL about 100x greater quality than most of the boring, generic, and formulaic games you will find on Sony and MS's consoles; games that are riddled with endless cutscenes, unnecessarily complex control schemes, and stupidly easy linear gameplay.


Ohh yahh new franchises from last gen like Uncharted or Last of Us Mass effect Arent quality nuf for ninty supporters, not Marioesque enough and storylines way to complex for ninty supporters, also not enough cartoonin colours for anyone to ever enjoy.  And way to complex control scheme for the champions of waggle.

They make em cause its safe selling the same character with the same lack of story and same simpleton controls to their adoring delusional fanbase. 

I don't give a crap about storylines. If I want good storylines, I read books, watch movies (and maybe a few TV shows like Breaking Bad). I sure as hell don't look for them in video games, since most of them have horrible stories and writing anyway compared to movies. I play games to have fun, and to be in control. I'd rather create MY OWN stories when I play. Some backstory in the background of the game is ok, but I don't like having narratives forced upon me.

Eh, I played Uncharted and wasn't too impressed. It was fun for a little bit but got pretty repetitive fast. The cover system seemed flawed and felt like a poor man's Gears of War, and I got painfully bored with the endless cutscenes they constantly threw at me. It was also a bit linear for my tastes. Besides the pointless collectables, you had little reason to divert from the provided path.

Mass Effect I felt COULD have been awesome, but there was just WAY too much dialouge, even for an RPG. The controls were also very odd and complex on the 360. Seems like it would work far better on PC. I'm thinking of giving it another chance on PC with the keyboard and mouse set-up. Again, simply having a new franchise doesn't automatically make it good.

In short, I'd much rather play yet another Mario game than some of this boring crap that constantly gets churned out for Sony and MS's consoles. There are a select few gems in there but the majority are just way too easy, linear, and formulaic for my tastes.. But hey, at least those games have stories as you say! That is after all, the most important aspect of a video game! Oh and also teh grafix



I'd say in a couple weeks when people start to see the PS4 and XBO's non-holiday high numbers. But, that happens to all consoles. Sooo I'm not really sure why this isn't an obvious thing........