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Zekkyou said:

1999: Team Fortress
2000: Counter-Strike
2003: Day of Defeat


Not sure if they count. They startet and became popular as mods.

id Software also had a great time between 1992 and 1999.



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1986: Koronis Rift, Ballblazer, Labyrinth
1987: Maniac Mansion, Rescue on Fractalus
1988: Zak McKracken, Battlehawks 1942
1989: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Their Finest Hour
1990: Loom, The Secret of Monkey Island, Night Shift
1991: Monkey Island 2, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, PHM Pegasus
1992: Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
1993: Sam & Max Hit the Road, Super Star Wars, X-Wing, Rebel Assault
1994: Super Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, TIE Fighter
1995: Full Throttle, The Dig, Dark Forces
1996: Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, Rebel Assault 2, Afterlife
1997: Monkey Island 3, X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter, Jedi Knight
1998: Grim Fandango, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, Mysteries of the Sith

/thread ;)



Zekkyou said:

Valve definitely need to be considered for the title. It's not flawless, but 15 years later and they are still hitting the same quality ^^ Most notable:

1998: Half-Life
1999: Team Fortress
2000: Counter-Strike
2003: Day of Defeat
2004: Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
2006: Half-Life 2: Episode One
2007: Half-Life 2: Episode Two, Portal, TF2 (dat sweet sweet 2007 @_@)
2008: Left 4 Dead
2009: Left 4 Dead 2
2011: Portal 2
2012: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
2013: Dota 2

Edit: Thinking about it, Naughty Dog definatly need to be considerd too, they seem incapable of making bad games.

1996: Crach Bandicoot
1997: Crach Bandicoot 2
1998: 
Crach Bandicoot: Warped
1999: Crash team racing
2001: Jak and Daxter
2003: Jak and Daxter II
2004: Jak 3
2005: Jak X: Combat Racing
2006: Daxter
2007: Unccharted
2009: Uncharted 2
2011: Uncharted 3, Uncharted: Golden Abyss
2012: Jak and Daxter Collection
2013: The Last of Us

ND is surely amazing, but 'Daxter' was developed by Ready at Dawn, and 'Uncharted: Golden Abyss' was made by SCE Bend. In both cases they've helped out the said studio, but in no way they've developed those games. And 'Jak and Daxter Collection' is just the first 3 Jak games ported to PS3 and Vita by Mass Media, so that's not counts either. ND is still my favorite developer.



The great thing about this Rare was that they released so many amazing games within such a small time frame. I like Retro Studios and all, but they are nothing compared to Rare 1994-2001. Not by a long shot. Neither is Monolith Soft. They make great games, but not frequently enough, not as much, and not as with as much diversity as Rare. And that's not their fault. It's Nintendo's.

Rare made three amazing Donkey Kong Country games in three years.
Retro will have made essentially two amazing Donkey Kong Country games in four years.

Rare during the same time period made two amazing Killer Instinct games.
Retro effectively wasted it's time helping out with Mario Kart 7 and DKCR: 3D (a game I own and love) while seeming doing nothing else original in that time.

Rare release three completely separate and original IPs the following year. One year. Blast Corps, an FPS in GoldenEye, and a kart racer in Diddy Kong Racing.
Retro spent seven prior years creating five Metroid Prime games of similar mechanics.

Rare release Banjo-Kazooey the next year.
Retro... Maybe they'll make a 3D Donkey Kong Eventually? Then release a 3DS version three years later and two sequels for the next seven years?

Rare released a new IP in Jet Force Gemini and a 3D Donkey Kong game the Next year.
Retro...

Rare: Perfect Dark + Banjo Tooey.
Retro: Nothing.

Rare: Conker's Bad Fur Day
Retro: Nothing.

Imagine what Retro could have done with the same schedule:

2010: Donkey Kong Country Returns
2011: Donkey Kong Country: Tropocal Freeze for 3DS, New Unique Fighting IP
2012: Donkey Kong Country: Jungle Fury Wii U, New Unique Fighting IP Sequel
2013: Car Combat/Thunder Rally (Look it up), Raven's Blade (Look it up), Mario Football/NFL Retro Football (Look it up)
2014: New Metroid FPS/TPS Adventure Game. (Spiritual successor to the Prime Trilogy)
2015: New IP, Donkey Kong 3D Platformer
2016: New IP, Raven's Blade 2
2017: New IP/Metroid TPS/FPS Adventure Game 2

Haven't even mentioned Monolith Soft yet. Oh, what could have been, but isn't.



Conina said:
1986: Koronis Rift, Ballblazer, Labyrinth
1987: Maniac Mansion, Rescue on Fractalus
1988: Zak McKracken, Battlehawks 1942
1989: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Their Finest Hour
1990: Loom, The Secret of Monkey Island, Night Shift
1991: Monkey Island 2, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, PHM Pegasus
1992: Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
1993: Sam & Max Hit the Road, Super Star Wars, X-Wing, Rebel Assault
1994: Super Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, TIE Fighter
1995: Full Throttle, The Dig, Dark Forces
1996: Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, Rebel Assault 2, Afterlife
1997: Monkey Island 3, X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter, Jedi Knight
1998: Grim Fandango, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, Mysteries of the Sith

/thread ;)

Nice list!

I need to play more LucasArts games. I've been slowly moving through the adventure library. Played Monkey Island, Loom, Last Crusade, and Monkey Island 2 over the past year.

I hope Steam and/or GOG upload some of the other, hard-to-find games, particularly Grim Fandango, which I hear is amazing.



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PayaV87 said:
Zekkyou said:

Valve definitely need to be considered for the title. It's not flawless, but 15 years later and they are still hitting the same quality ^^ Most notable:

1998: Half-Life
1999: Team Fortress
2000: Counter-Strike
2003: Day of Defeat
2004: Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
2006: Half-Life 2: Episode One
2007: Half-Life 2: Episode Two, Portal, TF2 (dat sweet sweet 2007 @_@)
2008: Left 4 Dead
2009: Left 4 Dead 2
2011: Portal 2
2012: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
2013: Dota 2

Edit: Thinking about it, Naughty Dog definatly need to be considerd too, they seem incapable of making bad games.

1996: Crach Bandicoot
1997: Crach Bandicoot 2
1998: 
Crach Bandicoot: Warped
1999: Crash team racing
2001: Jak and Daxter
2003: Jak and Daxter II
2004: Jak 3
2005: Jak X: Combat Racing
2006: Daxter
2007: Unccharted
2009: Uncharted 2
2011: Uncharted 3, Uncharted: Golden Abyss
2012: Jak and Daxter Collection
2013: The Last of Us

ND is surely amazing, but 'Daxter' was developed by Ready at Dawn, and 'Uncharted: Golden Abyss' was made by SCE Bend. In both cases they've helped out the said studio, but in no way they've developed those games. And 'Jak and Daxter Collection' is just the first 3 Jak games ported to PS3 and Vita by Mass Media, so that's not counts either. ND is still my favorite developer.

Sorry, I didn't look that closely at the Wiki page xD Amusingly though taking those three out actually increase their average game score :p They are better than i thought!



Conker Live and Reloaded
Kameo
Viva Pinata
Avatars
And even Kinect Sports
Killer Instinct

Conker and Kameo both very popular with fans (The ones who actually played them)

Viva Pinata could very well go into one of the most addicting games ive played.

Avatars is a massive hit.

Kinect Sports is a massive hit as well, just not with the hardcore crowd.

Perfect dark and Banjo Nuts and bolts were ok, not great.

Ive played pretty much every rare game new and old. A lot of the people talking about them being bad now havent even played some of the games ive mentioned. I personally believe if Kameo,Conker Live & Reloaded, and Viva Pinata would have released on Nintendo Critics would suddenly have gave them better scores.




       

Somebody already mentioned Nintendo EAD, so I'm going to honor some third parties.

 

I'm going to nominate Capcom during the Classical era. Let'd look at some of the games they made during the 3rd and 4th gens:

  • 1989 - Ducktales, Mega Man 2, Final Fight, Ghouls n Ghosts, Strider, UN Squadron
  • 1990 - Gargoyle's Quest, Little Nemo, Mega Man 3, Darkwing Duck, Street Fighter 2010, Castle of Illusion
  • 1991 - Several Mega Man titles, Street Fighter 2, Super Ghouls n Ghosts
  • 1992 - Street Fighter 2 revisions
  • 1993 - Aladdin, Final Fight 2, Mega Man X
  • 1994 - Mega Man X2, Demon's Crest

That's over 20 notable hits in a period of six years, including a handful of what are considered some of the best or most influential games of all time.

 

I'm also going to nominate Konami during a similar era.

  • 1986 - Castlevania, Twinbee, Gradius
  • 1987 - Metal Gear
  • 1988 - Contra
  • 1989 - Castlevania 3
  • 1990 - Super Contra, Metal Gear 2
  • 1991 - Super Castlevania 4, Turtles in Time

Not quite as prolific IMO, but you still have quite a few groundbreaking games within a short period of time.

 

Squaresoft was largely limited to the RPG genre, but for a decade they practically defined the genre

  • 1991 - Final Fantasy 4, Final Fantasy Adventure
  • 1992 - Romancing Saga, Final Fantasy 5
  • 1993 - Romancing Saga 2, Secret of Mana
  • 1994 - Final Fantasy 6
  • 1995 - Chrono Trigger, Front Mission, Secret of Evermore
  • 1996 - Super Mario RPG
  • 1997 - Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy Tactics
  • 1998 - Xenogears, Parasite Eve
  • 1999 - Chrono Cross
  • 2000 - Final Fantasy 9
  • 2001 - Final Fantasy X
  • 2002 - Kingdom Hearts

Basically, that's at least one classic JRPG every year.

 

I just noticed that those were all Japanese developers. Huh.



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Zekkyou said:

 

Thinking about it, Naughty Dog definatly need to be considerd too, they seem incapable of making bad games.

1996: Crach Bandicoot
1997: Crach Bandicoot 2
1998: 
Crach Bandicoot: Warped
1999: Crash team racing
2001: Jak and Daxter
2003: Jak and Daxter II
2004: Jak 3
2005: Jak X: Combat Racing
2006: Daxter
2007: Unccharted
2009: Uncharted 2
2011: Uncharted 3, Uncharted: Golden Abyss
2012: Jak and Daxter Collection
2013: The Last of Us


Hmmmm...



Nintendo, Naughty Dog, and Capcom/Square/Konami in the 5th gen



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