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HokageTenshi on 30 December 2013

hmm... looks like most of these PS4 purchasers buying their games from PSN??? or... 



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benji232 on 30 December 2013
Mummelmann said:

To everyone surprised at the 3DS; this is all unfolding precisely like quite a few people predicted quite some time ago, it has nothing to do with PS4 and One or Wii U, especially not Vita, but everything to do with mobiles/tablets.
It was obvious all along that dedicated handhelds would start to decline and likely go away almost entirely in time, in the face of this revolution, no matter how comforting a lot of people seem to think that denying it is.
The Vita has been all but murdered since it focuses more heavily on non-gaming features and attempts to sell on touch functionality, the 3DS will sell a lot more and live longer but it will never attain the same numbers as the DS, not even close (it wasn't too long ago that people were still chanting about the 3DS selling 130-140-150 million or even more).

As for the rest of the consoles; post-holiday adjustments will be cruel as usual, everyone should hold their horses a little bit longer. And the post-holiday drops will likely be terrifying.

Like I said in another thread, I do believe that mobile/tablets are eating into the handheld market. But it will most definetly not kill completely that market. I believe there will always have some room for 1 good selling handheld (80-100M). 

Not to mention, handhelds (Nintendo and Sony) will most likely adapt to the changing market. 



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 on 30 December 2013
Yakuzaice said:
benji232 said:

Again, 3ds is tracking 100k+ lower over last year on the same week. How are these numbers unrealistic to you? Give me one solid argument.

While I don't think the 3DS numbers are way off, just saying they are 100k+ lower than last year doesn't tell the whole story.  Japan alone makes up more than the total YoY drop, and we can be pretty confident with those numbers thanks to data from multiple other trackers.  While we don't have UK numbers for the week ending the 21st yet, it will likely bring the LTD to around 2.6 million.  This is at odds with the recent news on December 19th that it had just passed 2 million.  The strong weekly hardware sales also seem fairly incongruous with the low number and placement of 3DS software in the Chart Track top 40.

Last year also had the week ending one day closer to Christmas.  Probably not a huge factor, but it could have an influence of a few percent.

With that said, I don't think 3DS sales are absolutely incorrect, but being down YoY worldwide isn't a reason to discount that possibility.

While I am not going to argue that the 3DS might be overtracked in UK, we simply can't know for sure when that 400-500k was actually overtracked. Was it in 2012? In 2011? In 2013? We don't know, which is also why I believe vg didn't adjust these numbers yet. 

For the rest, we'll just have to wait for NPD. But I seriously doubt it will be overtracked.

Also, when will January's NPD numbers be released?



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

Mummelmann on 30 December 2013
benji232 said:
Mummelmann said:

To everyone surprised at the 3DS; this is all unfolding precisely like quite a few people predicted quite some time ago, it has nothing to do with PS4 and One or Wii U, especially not Vita, but everything to do with mobiles/tablets.
It was obvious all along that dedicated handhelds would start to decline and likely go away almost entirely in time, in the face of this revolution, no matter how comforting a lot of people seem to think that denying it is.
The Vita has been all but murdered since it focuses more heavily on non-gaming features and attempts to sell on touch functionality, the 3DS will sell a lot more and live longer but it will never attain the same numbers as the DS, not even close (it wasn't too long ago that people were still chanting about the 3DS selling 130-140-150 million or even more).

As for the rest of the consoles; post-holiday adjustments will be cruel as usual, everyone should hold their horses a little bit longer. And the post-holiday drops will likely be terrifying.

Like I said in another thread, I do believe that mobile/tablets are eating into the handheld market. But it will most definetly not kill completely that market. I believe there will always have some room for 1 good selling handheld (80-100M). 

Not to mention, handhelds (Nintendo and Sony) will most likely adapt to the changing market. 

That's precisely my point though; dedicated handhelds are going away. Portable devices with the main focus on games and gaming.

I'm not so sure that there will be room for any handheld to sell as much as 80-100 million in the 9th gen and onwards, then again; it's terribly hard to predict things like that with the maket being in such a fluctuating state today and in the near future.



LNC_GoldenAxe on 30 December 2013

Guys, I have a feeling Microsoft will discontinue XBone, you wouldn't see xbox next generation.

Probably Nintendo, Sony and SteamMachine



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benji232 on 30 December 2013
Mummelmann said:
benji232 said:
Mummelmann said:

To everyone surprised at the 3DS; this is all unfolding precisely like quite a few people predicted quite some time ago, it has nothing to do with PS4 and One or Wii U, especially not Vita, but everything to do with mobiles/tablets.
It was obvious all along that dedicated handhelds would start to decline and likely go away almost entirely in time, in the face of this revolution, no matter how comforting a lot of people seem to think that denying it is.
The Vita has been all but murdered since it focuses more heavily on non-gaming features and attempts to sell on touch functionality, the 3DS will sell a lot more and live longer but it will never attain the same numbers as the DS, not even close (it wasn't too long ago that people were still chanting about the 3DS selling 130-140-150 million or even more).

As for the rest of the consoles; post-holiday adjustments will be cruel as usual, everyone should hold their horses a little bit longer. And the post-holiday drops will likely be terrifying.

Like I said in another thread, I do believe that mobile/tablets are eating into the handheld market. But it will most definetly not kill completely that market. I believe there will always have some room for 1 good selling handheld (80-100M). 

Not to mention, handhelds (Nintendo and Sony) will most likely adapt to the changing market. 

That's precisely my point though; dedicated handhelds are going away. Portable devices with the main focus on games and gaming.

I'm not so sure that there will be room for any handheld to sell as much as 80-100 million in the 9th gen and onwards, then again; it's terribly hard to predict things like that with the maket being in such a fluctuating state today and in the near future.

I agree, it's very hard to predict this market. But to be quite honnest, the handheld market sold roughly 16M units in 2013 and I truly believe that if smartphones/tablets have done any damage (which they did), it's all been done already. I can't see handhelds being dramatically less popular in 5years then they are currently, let alone next year. 

I think that smartphones and tablets have basically set the handheld market size back to when it originally debuted with GB. Meaning a potential market of around 100-120M. I can't see it going much lower then that tbh. But that's all just speculation on my part.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

justinian on 30 December 2013
HokageTenshi said:

hmm... looks like most of these PS4 purchasers buying their games from PSN??? or... 

Speaking for myself I have five PS4 games. Four were downloaded from PSN. If most owners are like me then there is your reason for low games sales. If they are not like me then indeed

Very good to see the wii u in the mix. I really don't think the xbone not being in Japan would have changed much. Anyone that thinks it would need to look at the x360 sales and ask themselves how a far more expensive xbone would have been any different.



Panama on 30 December 2013

NA sure loves their XBOX. Even more so than their Nintendo consoles it seems.



Shyakugaun on 30 December 2013

Xbox beasting in America as always, PS4 EU numbers are insane, but considering Xbox hasn't released in most parts of EU yet its too early to call it a Massacre, Wii U has heart, solid numbers, 3ds is Nintendo's pot of Gold, Vita :(..., .all in all looking pretty good gaming this holiday season :)



justinian on 30 December 2013
Shyakugaun said:
Xbox beasting in America as always, PS4 EU numbers are insane, but considering Xbox hasn't released in most parts of EU yet its too early to call it a Massacre, Wii U has heart, solid numbers, 3ds is Nintendo's pot of Gold, Vita :(..., .all in all looking pretty good gaming this holiday season :)

If you honestly believe that the countries the xbox one has not been released in Europe is going to make any significant improvement to its sales then fair enough. All I can say is the the countries in Europe that xbone is currently available makes up 90 percent or more of the Euro market.

Therefore I pretty much call it a massacre.