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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware Numbers Are Up!!! 14 December 2013

VXIII on 27 December 2013
Dark_Feanor said:
VXIII said:
Dark_Feanor said:
VXIII said:

I can't see why would Sony ship 2k for what seems to be their biggest launch. Don't forget  that the One is not avilable outside of the main regions , how come it is selling neck to neck with the PS4 while it is not officially available in "Others" ? it doesn't make sense imo.


Sony made only one shippment of about 4k consoles to Brazil, a country with 200mi people. Reports from Argentina and Chile show they never re-stock there either. You can pre-order only for February.

It dosen´t make sense, I know. But that is how Sony choosed to play.

On the Microsoft side I can assure you, Brazilian never saw a marketing campain that broad for a console (or a tech product) EVER. Metro, newspaper, TV adds... And, there are tons of XOne in every store and they are re-stocked weekly. Half my active Live friends has migrated to the XOne.

Ps4 costs 1.850$ in Brazil no ? I'd say 4k is even too much xD

Lets just agree to disagree. Looking at last week numbers, PS4 sold 23.827 in " Others " ... yeah, more that this week when it launched in 11 more countries.



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TheEspionage on 27 December 2013
bananaking21 said:

Read my edit.  Im not going to argue about this.  Every week we hear the same undertracked/overtracked stuff on this site with no evidence other than assumptions.  Dont even look at VGC numbers if you guys are going to do this weekly.



benji232 on 27 December 2013
Fusioncode said:
benji232 said:
Fusioncode said:
I'm not buying those 3DS numbers for one second, not after how it was overtracked last month. Also, didn't PS4 have a 500k launch in Asia? Where did those numbers go?

Again, why? 3ds is underperforming in this december compared to last year. And it did not have a fantastic black friday either in 2012. These numbers are far from unbelievable. Unless you provide me with some solid argument of course.

VGC tracked 3DS at almost 900k in the US last month, the real numbers were 770k. That's pretty far off. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happening again this month.  

And in October, 3DS was undertracked? That's not really a good argument. If we look at last year's same week sales data http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41259/USA/, 3DS sold roughly 318k in the US which is up 9k over this year's numbers. I'm not sure what looks so off with this sale data? It's actually down yoy with pokemon and zelda released. I would definetly not be surprised if it's actually undertracked.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 on 27 December 2013
pezus said:
benji232 said:
pezus said:
benji232 said:
pezus said:
Calling it now: NPD will show yet again that WiiU+3DS are being overtracked in the US.
Everything else is still a mystery


why? WiiU was pretty much spot on in november and 3ds numbers are down by a lot yoy (if I remember correctly).

 

No, WiiU was overtracked by something like 50k (around 23% iirc), while 3DS was WAY off. Now ioi has adjusted 3DS up yet again, despite lifetime 3DS sales in America being 700k too high, and in the UK it is 500k too high.

WiiU was overtracked by 25k. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=174214

3DS was way off, but it's numbers did look way off from the start. 300k (in the US) for the second week of december is far from impossible. I actually thought 900k globally was low for 3ds this week. Is it actually tracking below 2012's december so far?

Oh, yeah. But WiiU had recently been adjusted down before the NPD thread was even made.

3DS will be significantly down in Japan in December so it's not hard to believe that the same will be true WW

Yea, but if we take the sales of week ending december 15th 2012, the 3DS had sold 318k in the US. This year (week ending december 14 2013) shows that it only sold 309k units. If anything, with pokemon and the 2DS release, I would have thought that it's currently undertracked (for this specific week of course).



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

bananaking21 on 27 December 2013
kowenicki said:
bananaking21 said:
kowenicki said:


Anyone (apart from Ethomaz) still not having my Jan prediction of over 30% down YOY for both the PS3 and 360? lol.

i disgareed with you then. but i agree with you know. you were right. i wonder if they will be down closer to 40% than 30% now. 


Dont feel bad.  Almost everyine disagreed with me.  Simple maths ignored for the sake of fandom mostly.

lol. 

Edit: so, what are your predictions for PS3 and 360 shipments this Q?



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POE on 27 December 2013

This is undertracked and that is overtracked. Why? Because i say so.



Fusioncode on 27 December 2013
kowenicki said:
Fusioncode said:
kowenicki said:
oh dear oh dear...

This is not good.

YOY:

Last Gen:
PS3 Down 50% (dying fast)
360 Down 57% (dying fast)
Wii Down 66% (now irrelevant)
PSP Down 55% (now irrelevant)

Current Gen:
3DS Down 12% (so-so)
Vita Down 15% (down!? really? wow, bad enough last year)
WiiU Down 21% (oh dear, last chance saloon)

Anyone (apart from Ethomaz) still not having my Jan prediction of over 30% down YOY for both the PS3 and 360? lol.

Why does this surprise you, a new generation is starting. The consoles have been out for 7/8 years, of course they're going to be heavily down YOY. 3DS and Vita are both down due to the dying handheld market. 

b bu but PS3 will be down by a max of 10% this year and could even be flat in japan and Europe....?

lmao

Seriously.

It is the current gen numbers that are troublesome WiiU, Vita and now even 3DS faltering.  Its actually not great news for the PS4 and ONE.  Next year will be interesting. 

 

It is great news because that means people are ready for an upgrade. The Vita and 3DS being down have nothing to do with the next gen consoles and the WiiU is irrelevant at the moment. 



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TheEspionage on 27 December 2013
POE said:
This is undertracked and that is overtracked. Why? Because i say so.


Exactly this ^



fmjasinski on 27 December 2013
Dark_Feanor said:
TheEspionage said:
bananaking21 said:
yeah those PS4 numbers are way undertracked.


Sony expects to sell 3m by the end of 2013.  This seems pretty accurate unless you expect them to sell more than what they're shipping.....Not to mention supply constrain that has been reported.  Once again, because of low shipments.  


This.

I think hard to belive people here are so obtuse to just think for a moment.

They might still living in the euphory of this year E3.

I agree 1000%!



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Fusioncode on 27 December 2013
POE said:
This is undertracked and that is overtracked. Why? Because i say so.

You're right, we should just ignore all logic and common sense. Let's all just blindly follow VGC numbers without contributing any thoughts of our own. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!