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camilosanchez16 said:
200k 190k
100k in US
30k in EU
50k in JP
10k in Other

This seems about right. I'm going with this prediction.



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Seece said:


Oh, Machina wanted me to post this in response.

Step 1: Have a horrible sales month in October
Step 2: Have a horrible November/Black Friday sales month
Step 3: Pretend that the horrible holiday bump you got was a big deal because of how many more units you sold than in the prior month. But use percentages instead of number to make it sound better.
Step 4: Ignore the fact that in addition to the two new consoles destroying you in sales you also got soundly beaten by two 8 year old consoles
Step 5: Record breaking January.

So does this mean Machina is still lurking around VGC? Why doesn't he just come back here instead of using you?

... Or... are you Machina?!



benji232 said:
Seece said:
benji232 said:
Seece said:

There is nothing to suggest WiiU will be up YoY in January, and nowhere near to the point of what he's expecting. WiiU is doing poorly, it's not having a resurgance, January sales will reflect that just like they did last year. Need I remind you, 57k in the US last year. It's going to deviate far from that either way.

No he didn't. I already explained why WiiU is getting a higher percentage boost (which means absoloutely nothing) when the sheer numbers are so low.

Both systems had very similar baselines (vita/wiiU). One took off (relatively) and the other one didn't. So if wiiU wen't from a similar (or even lower) baseline then the vita to almost doubling vita weekly sales. What is that called if it's not momentum. Also, since vita had a similar baseline as the wiiU, why didn't it get the same (or a similar) average boost every week?

As for you're second point, wiiU is following an unprecedented sales patern. We really don't know what will happen in January, but his prediction is certainly not an impossibility.

Then Vita is more fucked than WiiU? What's your point??? This doesn't magically mean WiiU sales are amazing or that it has momentum because Vita is selling worse.

It's not impossible for WiiU to sell 10 million in a week. It'll never happen tho.

Oh, Machina wanted me to post this in response.

Step 1: Have a horrible sales month in October
Step 2: Have a horrible November/Black Friday sales month
Step 3: Pretend that the horrible holiday bump you got was a big deal because of how many more units you sold than in the prior month. But use percentages instead of number to make it sound better.
Step 4: Ignore the fact that in addition to the two new consoles destroying you in sales you also got soundly beaten by two 8 year old consoles
Step 5: Record breaking January.

Nicely stolen from gaf :). 

Anyways, so your basically admitting that this response: As for the rest of your post, it's the holidays. Even Vita is 'gaining momentum

was wrong. 

Also, you are acting like 500k would be a god like number. It's far from impossible as you're trying to make it sound like. Again, no one said that it was going to happen for sure, but it isn't a prediction that belongs in dreamland either. Just like the people who are predicting that it will do 80k in January. 

This is GAF 2.0 didn't you know ;P

No, do you see the little '     ' I dusagree that either are gaining momentum, it was used to shoot down his argument that it was.

500k, when you do 300k~ in a November with Black friday. 500k DOES become an impossibility, unless we see major intervention from Nintendo. Will we? I very much doubt it.



 

NintendoPie said:
Seece said:


Oh, Machina wanted me to post this in response.

Step 1: Have a horrible sales month in October
Step 2: Have a horrible November/Black Friday sales month
Step 3: Pretend that the horrible holiday bump you got was a big deal because of how many more units you sold than in the prior month. But use percentages instead of number to make it sound better.
Step 4: Ignore the fact that in addition to the two new consoles destroying you in sales you also got soundly beaten by two 8 year old consoles
Step 5: Record breaking January.

So does this mean Machina is still lurking around VGC? Why doesn't he just come back here instead of using you?

... Or... are you Machina?!

I linked the thread, he browses here and GAF, and I dunno why he doesn't come back.



 

bananaking21 said:
what?! i cant troll?? then what is the point of coming to these forums?!!


Trolling is doooooooooooooooooomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Aielyn said:

I think people are going to be rather surprised.

500k.

To put this into context, the Wii sold over 1 million units in January for the first 5 years, and then over 670k in January 2012. In January 2013, it sold 320k, when at the same time, the Wii U sold 282k - a total between the two of 602k. The Wii has now been discontinued in both Japan and Europe, and is diminishing in sales relative to the Wii U.

As such, I am expecting Wii U at about 500k, and Wii at about 100k. I feel that this is a justifiable prediction - here's the 2012 (Wii) vs 2013 (Wii+WiiU) numbers for the non-holiday months:

January: 672k / 602k
February: 452k / 340k
March: 397k / 416k
April: 287k / 256k
May: 250k / 209k
June: 274k / 230k
July: 229k / 217k
August: 274k / 200k
September: 216k / 294k
October: 195k / 279k
And for November and December, here's 2011 (Wii) / 2012/2013 (Wii+WiiU):
November: 1728k / 1187k / 713k
December: 3201k / 3061k / [Currently unknown]

Note that these numbers have all come from VGChartz's Year-on-Year comparison chart system. What you will notice is that Wii+WiiU in 2013 typically tended to be only a little down on Wii in 2012, with the worst performance being August 2013 (down about 28%) and the best performance being October 2013 (up about 43%). For the first 10 months of 2013, the Wii+WiiU were 3043k, compared with the Wii selling about 3246k in the first 10 months of 2012, indicating only a very small drop in total Nintendo home console sales between the years, with regards to the first 10 months. I am, essentially, assuming that this will continue into 2014.

Considering the Wii+WiiU were able to do this without any notable releases in January 2013, I don't see any reason to think things will be dramatically different in January 2014.

It would be really nice if you are right. Too bad the actual market is not going to be that responsive to the Wii U come Jan.



Seece said:
benji232 said:
Seece said:
benji232 said:
Seece said:

There is nothing to suggest WiiU will be up YoY in January, and nowhere near to the point of what he's expecting. WiiU is doing poorly, it's not having a resurgance, January sales will reflect that just like they did last year. Need I remind you, 57k in the US last year. It's going to deviate far from that either way.

No he didn't. I already explained why WiiU is getting a higher percentage boost (which means absoloutely nothing) when the sheer numbers are so low.

Both systems had very similar baselines (vita/wiiU). One took off (relatively) and the other one didn't. So if wiiU wen't from a similar (or even lower) baseline then the vita to almost doubling vita weekly sales. What is that called if it's not momentum. Also, since vita had a similar baseline as the wiiU, why didn't it get the same (or a similar) average boost every week?

As for you're second point, wiiU is following an unprecedented sales patern. We really don't know what will happen in January, but his prediction is certainly not an impossibility.

Then Vita is more fucked than WiiU? What's your point??? This doesn't magically mean WiiU sales are amazing or that it has momentum because Vita is selling worse.

It's not impossible for WiiU to sell 10 million in a week. It'll never happen tho.

Oh, Machina wanted me to post this in response.

Step 1: Have a horrible sales month in October
Step 2: Have a horrible November/Black Friday sales month
Step 3: Pretend that the horrible holiday bump you got was a big deal because of how many more units you sold than in the prior month. But use percentages instead of number to make it sound better.
Step 4: Ignore the fact that in addition to the two new consoles destroying you in sales you also got soundly beaten by two 8 year old consoles
Step 5: Record breaking January.

Nicely stolen from gaf :). 

Anyways, so your basically admitting that this response: As for the rest of your post, it's the holidays. Even Vita is 'gaining momentum

was wrong. 

Also, you are acting like 500k would be a god like number. It's far from impossible as you're trying to make it sound like. Again, no one said that it was going to happen for sure, but it isn't a prediction that belongs in dreamland either. Just like the people who are predicting that it will do 80k in January. 

This is GAF 2.0 didn't you know ;P

No, do you see the little '     ' I dusagree that either are gaining momentum, it was used to shoot down his argument that it was.

500k, when you do 300k~ in a November with Black friday. 500k DOES become an impossibility, unless we see major intervention from Nintendo. Will we? I very much doubt it.

Uh? It sold 490k in November. 



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

lol, 500k in January is completely delusional.

I'll be nice and say 40k for the US, 120k for Japan (because Japan gets a large boost for week 1), less than 35k for Europe.

So just under 200k.



Seece said:
No, do you see the little '     ' I dusagree that either are gaining momentum, it was used to shoot down his argument that it was.

500k, when you do 300k~ in a November with Black friday. 500k DOES become an impossibility, unless we see major intervention from Nintendo. Will we? I very much doubt it.

And you have now proven yourself to be full of it.

As benji pointed out, the Worldwide figure for November was actually in the ballpark of 470k (or 490k, possibly - I'm using VGChartz numbers, I'm sure there are other estimates). And November approximately equal to following January certainly isn't unprecedented in terms of Worldwide figures; especially when the strongest momentum for the system is being seen in Japan (and you cannot possibly deny that the Wii U has significant momentum in Japan, now... unless you're one of those who insist that 3k in one week prior to significant game releases and price drops, etc, proves that there's no momentum in a week when it sold nearly 75k).

You have spent all of your energy trying to disprove the idea of the Wii U selling 200k in America. I find this funny, because you're trying to assert that my overall prediction of 500k is completely unrealistic, but America only accounts for 40% of that prediction - meaning, it could be half that, and still my prediction wouldn't be that far from accurate, with 400k (much more than most other people's predictions).

And Nintendo is already intervening. They went from practically no advertising through most of November to a heavy advertising campaign in December. They had no information on any future Wii U titles in November, but now we know about a number of additional titles.

Simply put, you seem to use nothing except the argument that "as it has been so far, so shall it always be". As though nothing ever changes. Of course, it's an absurd assertion, but it's the argument you're using to disagree with me - "it hasn't happened before, so it's practically impossible now". And yet, even when I provide examples of some of these things happening before, you still insist on it being practically impossible this time.

I've put forward my justification for my prediction. Time for you to put up or shut up. It's not enough to say "it hasn't happened before", you have to provide specific reason for it not being an acceptable prediction. And just saying "Wii U isn't gaining momentum" isn't any better than "it hasn't happened before" - show me the facts; if you want to claim that Wii U isn't gaining momentum, you need to provide evidence that shows that the current sales increase isn't atypical, that systems that aren't gaining momentum can be expected to see a similar increase under similar circumstances. And no, 150% increase is not similar to 500% increase.



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