It just depends what your definition of flop is.
My definition of flop is not profitable, or barely profitable to the point of being a waste of time.
Games like Alan Wake, Socom, Resistance 3, Starhawk, Twisted Metal, Zombi U those are flops, just a waste of time to make.
GT6 probably had a budget around 20-30 million development budget with minimal marketing it's poised to sell around 1.2 million by the end of this year if not more plus take microtransactions into account, game should make money by all accounts. 

How are you gonna state a game is a flop even if it makes a substantial amount of money? 

Oh shit a game sold 20 million copies yet it somehow made no money but to me its NOT a FLOP, but a game that sells 3 million copies and makes a good profit is a FLOP!

Just sounds stupid, there's no logic to it. Can't say whether GT6 is a flop or not yet, video games are long term investment.

Killer Instinct must be a flop since it sold 0 copies(I know its digital).

so let me get this straight, i am supposed to logically and reasonably state that a game is a "flop" or not by comparing its sales in the first 48 hours to the lifetime sales of previous enteries on the franchise? this is honestly the most unreasonable, illogical and honestly, quite frankly the stupidest argument i ever seen or been a part of. i am out. 

and hold my tongue? lol

......who said lifetime? We are comparing week 1 to week 1. What thread are you reading lol.

GT6 has under whelmed in it's first week, with it's mainline entries bringing in close to 10M lifetime sales each.

It's difficult to put in perspective because 800k out of the gate would be impressive for any other Sony exclusive title. It's still going to post a profit but could signal that gamers are starting to grow fatigued of Gran Turismo and it's ever more refined iterations.

but you , what your argument is that the GT6 is a flop, vs GT5 but yet look at the Nintendo 3DS is it a flop vs what the DS is now after a while on the market? calling it a disapointment now in its performance of only one week of sales is very short sighted would you think that's not prudent, to outright call it that GT6 is a flop or cannot out perform GT5 when the market sales dynamic is not the same as it was at the start of the generation, for example you can get PSN+ Discounts, not to mention can in effect get platnum sales. but there seems to be maany here that are saying there is no chance of GT6 even getting to GT5 or even passing, and that its in decline after only a week of data? does that not sound a lil bit silly?

im sure they did.

but id prefer legit numbers, as some pointed out vg undertrack GT5 quite severly.

Man you're trying way to hard to prove... what? That GT6 48 hrs sales are less than GT5's, and that renders a game a "flop"? Really, you've been trying with dozens of posts in 2-3 threads and I can't figure out why. Is there some time limit in which we should declare a game "flopped"? Can't we just wait for official numbers? What's all the haste?

The problem is that there isn't a universal definition for "flop" in the gaming sense. To me, and those who commented as such, think a flop is when something performs below the standard/expectations. Not profit. So I stand by my assessment.

No matter how many digital copies sold, it is lower then GT5. I guess I keep commenting because it is.........interesting to see some dedicated fans fight tooth and claw to preserve the games......dignity? I have a hard time trying to get their mentality, which is why I am still here lol

while i am not saying that there could be no decline in the popularity of the iP, BUT DO YOU THINK ITS really early to make that claim right now? I see you stated Could, so do you have doubts that there is no way for GT6 to beat GT5? Im only pointing this out because, GT6 may not be front loaded, but may in the end be the most sold GT BECAUSE OF DIGITAL SALES OVER TIME DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT COULD BE ON MORE THAN JUST A PLAYSTATION ONLY! this is the first time Sony has such a platform for 1st party distribution of of the ip's they make that can end up on non playstation platforms like Tablets, the best example, is as a service Gaikai can be streaming, but Playstation Mobile software is also on other platforms aside from just sony only products

http://www.playstation.com/psm/certified.html

Look at Gaikai that can be streamed to other devices, that include not just playstations only

Some might want to consider a small fact.

Even if GT6 sold at the same pace as GT5, its first week sales would be lower, due to the fact of being on sale for half the time.

lol

you all enjoy, should be fun when PD releases info.