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Too_Talls said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


When Sony brought DVD's to gaming it was the most expensive disc drive on the market. Same difference. For the last two gens the format Sony had debuted have become the primary formats. Regardless of what you think or feel Blu Ray is selling like hotcakes in non-gaming homes across the world. Again even Nintendo and Microsoft have realized the value in its potential.

I wouldn't be so quick to give sony any credit for the sucess of dvd's or blu-rays. Video games are far from the center of what those things are used for. 

What was promised with the blu ray on the ps3 was never achived. they never maxed out the disc to make those ultimate content games they promised. 

And when a sizable game was finally made, a mandatory install was required. so the game stil ran off the hard drive. even now blu-ray disc only save the companies monry on extra dvd's they would need to store content because everything is a mandatory install. The diference beween now and then is the cost of the tech has become cheaper to use.


I don't know what you're trying to prove at all. Sony proved everything they needed to about Blu Ray. The difference between buying a Blu Ray movie and a DVD is big when it comes to content, visuals and experience. This is where bias gets in the way so I will end this here. Kinect has done nothing for gaming and Sony knew it wouldnt because they created the tech just in a simplistic form compared to what you see with the Kinect. They know it wont be anything more than glorified multimedia gesture and voice tool unless you like minigames.

The only reason more content isnt on the disc doesn't negate its potential. You can put multiple games on one Blu Ray. 



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Too_Talls said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


When Sony brought DVD's to gaming it was the most expensive disc drive on the market. Same difference. For the last two gens the format Sony had debuted have become the primary formats. Regardless of what you think or feel Blu Ray is selling like hotcakes in non-gaming homes across the world. Again even Nintendo and Microsoft have realized the value in its potential.

I wouldn't be so quick to give sony any credit for the sucess of dvd's or blu-rays. Video games are far from the center of what those things are used for. 

What was promised with the blu ray on the ps3 was never achived. they never maxed out the disc to make those ultimate content games they promised. 

And when a sizable game was finally made, a mandatory install was required. so the game stil ran off the hard drive. even now blu-ray disc only save the companies monry on extra dvd's they would need to store content because everything is a mandatory install. The diference beween now and then is the cost of the tech has become cheaper to use.


I don't know what you're trying to prove at all. Sony proved everything they needed to about Blu Ray. The difference between buying a Blu Ray movie and a DVD is big when it comes to content, visuals and experience. This is where bias gets in the way so I will end this here. Kinect has done nothing for gaming and Sony knew it wouldnt because they created the tech just in a simplistic form compared to what you see with the Kinect. They know it wont be anything more than glorified multimedia gesture and voice tool unless you like minigames.

The only reason more content isnt on the disc doesn't negate its potential. You can put multiple games on one Blu Ray. 


You talk about bluray movie quality and then proceed to say kinnect does nothing for games. kinnect has kinnect exclusive games, thats doing something for games were as movie quality is irrelevant to games.



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ViktorBKK said:


Mr Puggsly, you have clearly not been paying much attention to the format wars have you? There was another optical medium called HD DVD which was backed by the DVD forum. Companies like Toshiba, Intel and Microsoft had a big stake on this format. Early on, HD DVD was winning the format war, until PS3 was released and the rest is history. If it wasn't for PS3, HD DVD would have been the successor to DVD, and blu-ray would be a dead format today.

But you are certainly right that blu-ray wasn't essential for PS3. PS3 was essential for blu-ray :P

Bluray would have become cheaper technology regardless, defunt technology is often cheap because people are just trying to get rid of it.

PS3 was more important to Bluray than vice versa. Yet some people just keep telling me about the format war. The format war simply isn't relevant to this discussion.



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If it makes the game play its essential.

Confirmed, Kinect is essential. Kinect makes some games playable that wouldn't be without it. Kinect makes game play!

Also, it should be noted your console doesn't just become a paper weight when the disc drive breaks. Having access to digital content keeps game play going. So its logical to say no physical discs is essential.

I think you can agree with that.



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Mr Puggsly said:
ViktorBKK said:


Mr Puggsly, you have clearly not been paying much attention to the format wars have you? There was another optical medium called HD DVD which was backed by the DVD forum. Companies like Toshiba, Intel and Microsoft had a big stake on this format. Early on, HD DVD was winning the format war, until PS3 was released and the rest is history. If it wasn't for PS3, HD DVD would have been the successor to DVD, and blu-ray would be a dead format today.

But you are certainly right that blu-ray wasn't essential for PS3. PS3 was essential for blu-ray :P

Bluray would have become cheaper technology regardless, defunt technology is often cheap because people are just trying to get rid of it.

PS3 was more important to Bluray than vice versa. Yet some people just keep telling me about the format war. The format war simply isn't relevant to this discussion.


Wrong. Defunct technologies are more expensive due to economy of scale. Recent example is DDR2 being more expensive than DDR3. If HDDVD was cheap today, you could bet on Microsoft using it on Xbone, instead of paying royalties to Sony and the rest of BR Association. It's not, because nobody produces HDDVD today.

The format war is the one and only reason blu-ray was implemented on ps3. Sub-hd consoles with hardware from 2006 didn't need a 50GB optical drive. But Sony needed to win the format war to make money.

In a very similar way, Xbone doesn't need Kinect. But Microsoft needs it, so that they can sell your private data to advertisers, the government etc. and make LOTS of money. The only difference is that blu-ray offered something to the consumer(blu-ray movies), while Kinect offers absolutely nothing.



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Too_Talls said:
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You talk about bluray movie quality and then proceed to say kinnect does nothing for games. kinnect has kinnect exclusive games, thats doing something for games were as movie quality is irrelevant to games.


You can talk all you want but everyone adopted Blu Ray. End of story to your baseless bias. No matter which system you use WILL be utilizing Blu Ray. 

Case closed.

I've played the XBOX One numerous times and almost everytime the Kinect has been disconnected. It is not essential, its just a peripheral which is being forced upon us. Microsoft has not made a great argument for the Kinect even in its second iteration.



This was fun, I like talking to people who ignore everything I say. Lets do this again sometime and have another pointless discussion.



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ViktorBKK said:

 Kinect offers absolutely nothing.


I'd have to disagree, I have the nexbox. and waking up and not moving at all, getting my tv on and catching a show while I fully wake up without looking for a controller or a remote is the kind of sweet you would have to live to enjoy. Other than that, kinnect has a lot to offer and I haven't fully learned the system, that will evolve. I have to say kinnect has offered more as an infant than bluray did for the ps3 in 7 years.



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@OP: Yes and no.
Conceptually yes, because a 7th gen console needed an optical drive anyway, choosing BD instead of DVD gave anyway at least one advantage, no disc swaps, also to gamers not interested in the other features.
Practically no because it increased the minimum price one had to pay to have the console, and that overprice, now very modest, was initially very high.
But there is an issue where they are similar also conceptually, a new console is supposed to offer something new, it can be greater HW power, new SW features (often made viable by greater HW power itself) or HW features.
So it depends on the point of view, but sales results and new features acceptance will tell you how much a given point of view is shared by people. BD in particular became a lot more accepted and even desired as soon as the overprice it implied dropped enough and the total price too (a small overprice could still have a bad effect if it makes the totall price exceed some psychological thresholds).



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ViktorBKK said:


Wrong. Defunct technologies are more expensive due to economy of scale. Recent example is DDR2 being more expensive than DDR3. If HDDVD was cheap today, you could bet on Microsoft using it on Xbone, instead of paying royalties to Sony and the rest of BR Association. It's not, because nobody produces HDDVD today.

The format war is the one and only reason blu-ray was implemented on ps3. Sub-hd consoles with hardware from 2006 didn't need a 50GB optical drive. But Sony needed to win the format war to make money.

In a very similar way, Xbone doesn't need Kinect. But Microsoft needs it, so that they can sell your private data to advertisers, the government etc. and make LOTS of money. The only difference is that blu-ray offered something to the consumer(blu-ray movies), while Kinect offers absolutely nothing.

You're talking about the long run. I wasn't. Don't you remember $50 HD-DVD players?

Right, now Sony is rich with Bluray royalties. That was worth chasing away their audience with a high price.

Are you implying MS is trying to "scroogle" people with Kinect?

Saying Kinect offers nothing is a ridiculous comment. I could argue Bluray offered nothing for PS3 because I never watched Bluray movies. Hence, your personal feeling about Kinect don't matter.



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