You said it yourself, the XBO would likely have sold better if it were cheaper. At $400, without Kinect, I think a lot of PS4 buyers would have gone XBO.

I also disagree entirely with a Kinect free X-Box being "forum talk." It was a peripheral which only sold to 1 in 4 X-Box 360 console buyers, it was heaviliy mocked by the media post E3 (along with DRM), and from the people who I know who work in retailers, the feedback I hear is that Kinect is an unwanted peripheral.

Honestly, the system can be played without it, not everyone wants to talk to their TV. Microsoft is tacking on a an extra device in order to make a larger profit, that's all.

Until there is a Kinect free model, I know I'm not getting it, and I think outside of forums, most people think the same.

If XBO was Kinectless you wouldn't get one? Well that's you, I'm the exact opposite. The XBO is primarily a video game console, if you want the premium options with Kinect, be my guest, but I'm pretty sure most people would rather save $100-$150 and just get a video game console with Netflicks.

GTA IV on 360 runs at 640p natively.

Red Dead Redemption was known to drop FPS to <24 FPS, so while being one of the very few native 720p games, it was still bad on both consoles.

As for Final Fantasy, I think you should refer to the Digital Foundry review, there is a huge difference from PS3 - 360.

As for Kinect, why buy a peripheral I'm going to leave in a box and never plug it? I'll wait for the rumored Kinect free model. Until then I'm going to play Titanfall on my PC, and later buy a WiiU and a PS4 (WiiU first because it actually has some games I'm interested in in development).

The textures in FM5 are flat. The cars look too glossy and plasticy. There are no day/night cycles, dynamic environments, and weather.

Nope blu ray is needed.kiniect is not needed

Once again, less time went into development!

Look, I'm obvoiusly I'm just having fun with you. I don't really care about this topic.

Blu-ray made the PS3 far superior IMO. A lot of games utilized the space very well. First party games looked hands down better than any first party Xbox games as well. Couple that with the PS3 being a relatively inexpensive High End Blu-ray player when it launched and I think it was good for them to include. Obviously the space is needed, especially this gen as both are using BD drives. Kinect however is an add on only used for the Xbox. It has no other functionality aside from playing games and watching you watch porn.

I just Googled the native resolution of GTAIV, everything I'm seeing says the 360 version is 720p. Maybe you have a more reliable source?

With your logic, I can point to a game that looks better on 360 and come to conclusion DVD makes better graphics. Just move on, you're a smart guy giving me a dumb argument.

Maybe a year from now you'll be able to get a X1 with Kinect for $399! I'm sure that would be even more to your liking. If you have no interest in X1 period, I don't know why you're even babbling about it.

Finally, this guy gets it!

I was clearly saying Bluray has made games worse.

Good night everybody!

I guess typing on a 1970's tech doesn't bother you as much as "the old tech from 2006".

First of all, you weren't in the conversation and all of a sudden you just jump in and "shoot" in all directions.

Second, I don't buy movies in Blu-Ray format anymore (since 2009-10).

Third, I'd take a flexible weaker gaming system anyday over a rigid graphic card update.

And then get yourself informed with this:

Xbox One will most likely get VLC for video streaming (quality).

I'm not saying PS3 games all look better because they are on BR disks, I'm saying they look better. PS3 is a more powerful system, and putting the games on BR disks allowed many games to take advantage of PS3's power.

If you're going to argue that BR is useless then why is XBO using the medium? WiiU is also using some weirld BR like proprietary disk type which is 22.5 GB (I recall them having issues, because it is BR, just not the same disk type as Sony patents)

As for XBO, I'll get it one day because I'm a gamer. All 3 consoles will have exclusives I want to play. XBO doesn't turn me down so much, as Microsoft has, they treated me like crap with the 360. This is why XBO is at the bottom of my list. On the merits of a Kinect free XBO, i see it as a similar quality system as a PS4, but I'm going to take the reliability with a grain of salt, 360 was pretty bad, and I'm not confident that MS fixed the reliability issue on XBO, especially when they had an issue with processor yield during development, and especially because the manufactering process was rushed.