yvanjean said:
BMaker11 said:
yvanjean said:
Really? BD drive are cheaper and faster now. When the PS3 came out they simply cost too much and there slower read speed compared to the DVD was a problem.
The cost and read speed problem out weight the benefit of extra storage, better video and sound quality.
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You conveniently ignored his last part "so we're supposed to be against any device that uses technology before it becomes industry standard". Why do you think BD drives are cheaper and faster now? You surely don't believe that they got better at developing them just on a whim instead of because the PS3 pushed BD as the norm.
Don't bitch about "BD just cost too much" but be all hunky dory that it's cheap now so the XBone can use it. Without PS3, BD wouldn't have been supported, would have not been as invested in, resulting in manufacturers not taking the time to reduce production costs on them. Every new media is gonna be expensive initially and then cost less as they produce more and more of them. But don't forget that it had to begin somewhere and then praise it later when it's convenient. It's hypocritical. You can't be against devices that use technology before they become industry standard. Otherwise there will never be an industry standard.
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You think if Sony had to do it again they would make the same dumb decision and lose something like 5 billion in two years. The PS3 apparently cost like 800 to build when it was first release. Even at $599 they were still losing like 175$ per console.
The only reason Sony decided to go with BD is because they own the expensive technology.
If not Blu-ray there would of been another techonology invented, either Hd-DVD or probably still Blu-ray since Sony partnered with other companies to work on imporving the BD.
When you build your game console every component as to make financial sense. Look at how the PS4 was designed this time around they have a console that's more powerful then Xbox One that cost less.If I take what your saying and you had to choose a video card for a new console, do you use the standard video card that cost 50-100$, the slightly high end model that cost 120$ or go for top of the line $300 video card. No one in their right mind would take the $300 video card.
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But....that's exactly what happens every generation. Except last. The Wii used the current standard at the time, and look at what their games look like in 2013. 360 and PS3 used high end cards (high end at the time) and their games look great in 2013.
It's like if I bought a GFX card in order to play Crysis back in 2007. "No one in their right mind would take the $300 card", yet if I got a Crysis level GFX card then, I'd be set even to this day. And now a Crysis level GFX card from 2007 has become the standard of today. Now, imagine putting such a card in consoles talking about "next-gen" and is supposed to be on the market for 6-7 years. Games will look extremely dated at the end of the consoles life. You never put the "standard" in a console. "Standard" is just "high end" from a couple years ago. You don't put GFX cards from a couple years ago into a system that's supposed to last several years going forward. At least, not traditionally
Your comparison is faulty anyway, because it assumes that the "standard" is just dirt cheap, so you can then say the "high end" is 6x the cost. Speaking today, the "standard" would be about a $250 card, to run games pretty smoothly on decent settings, while a $350-400 GFX card would be "high end" (and I'm talking to the end user buying different cards off of retail shelves. It's a different story for companies with deals with GFX manufacturers to mass produce one GFX card). You buy a $50 supposedly "standard" GFX card.....and you're not playing Skyrim, even on low settings, and that game came out 2 years ago
edit: I didn't respond to you first point. Yes, I think Sony would do it again. They are loss leaders. They do it all the time. And more importantly, the think long term. So what if they lost some money in the beginning? They flipped it around and was back in the black 5 years or so later and blu ray is in every PS3, PS4, XB1, in many computers and laptops, movie players, etc. and even the WiiU used BD technology. Blu ray is essentially free money for them now. Every blu ray player sold is money in Sony's pocket. Every blu ray movie sold is money in Sony's pocket. Every external drive bought is money in Sony's pocket. Every laptop or computer with a BD drive built in is money in Sony's pocket. And the feeling I know they think is sweet: every time the XBone sells a unit and every time an XBone game sells, it's money in Sony's pocket. If I had a plan like that, and the resources to pull it off, I would gladly take a loss for a few years, and then have profits just rolling for several, several years afterward. At this point, if Sony completely removed itsself from the video game industry....they'd still make money from the video game industry.
You can try and hold on to the negative press the PS3 got in 2007, but that's just grasping at straws. The long term benefit >>>>>>> short term loss
or just buy a WiiU for $300, it's a much much better family system.
