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mutantclown on 04 December 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
greenmedic88 said:
Is anyone conveniently overlooking the fact that all three 8th gen consoles are using BD format optical media for publishing games?

No, it makes sense to use Bluray now because larger storage is a necessity and the technology is cheap.

Sony wasn't pushing Bluray to make games better per se, they just wanted some royalties and used their Playstation fanbase.

In return, they lost much of audience from PS2 and Xbox grew.


IN RETURN they SAVED blu-ray , no other way it could have been saved. No other way around it. And IN RETURN now you see the xBONE using Blu-ray, since Sony so kindly SAVED the damn format.

 

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Mr Puggsly on 04 December 2013
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Put cars on a second disc. Problem solved!

GT5 had a massive install to speed up load times.

Pick your poison.

I didn't cared about the Install...

And puting the cars on a second disc... do you have any info on how many Gbs all the cars data have??? Because GT5 is a double density BD, And I'm certainly that not only 8.7Gb are from cars... maybe you would like the Idea to have one disc for cars of each continent, and them you swap them depending on the brand you choose to play...

And about BD for the new gen... If it is now a good option (and for PS3 it wasn't), how you justify installing 35~50Gb per game??? To install of this size DVD would be a lesser problem than on the previous gen.

But I see people thinking its the biggest thing for the Xbone being a media player and kinect being it central comand, but I can't think of PS3 media capabilities without BD...

And now I'll bring one point no one brought... PS3 BD is region free =].

No, you install the cars from the second disc to the hard drive. Have you not played Forza?

I don't think Bluray is region free. PS3 games are region free.



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Mr Puggsly on 04 December 2013
mutantclown said:


IN RETURN they SAVED blu-ray , no other way it could have been saved. No other way around it. And IN RETURN now you see the xBONE using Blu-ray, since Sony so kindly SAVED the damn format.


Good for the Bluray, bad for Sony's Playstation.

Sony potentially made Bluray a success and lost much of their userbase in the porcess. Now MS takes advantage of what has become a dirt cheap technology.



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DonFerrari on 04 December 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
greenmedic88 said:
Is anyone conveniently overlooking the fact that all three 8th gen consoles are using BD format optical media for publishing games?

No, it makes sense to use Bluray now because larger storage is a necessity and the technology is cheap.

Sony wasn't pushing Bluray to make games better per se, they just wanted some royalties and used their Playstation fanbase.

In return, they lost much of audience from PS2 and Xbox grew.





duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 04 December 2013
yvanjean said:
DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:
greenmedic88 said:
Is anyone conveniently overlooking the fact that all three 8th gen consoles are using BD format optical media for publishing games?

Yes, even the Wii U is using a proprietary violet laser drive based upon BD technology, developed by Panasonic, one of the developers of BD.

So... it wasn't okay for the PS3 to have a BD drive and now it's okay that the XB1 has one? Or would XB1 buyers or potential buyers rather have their games published on multiple DVDs or have to download significant portions of their retail games if MS could drop the price of their package by $20, $50, $10 because BD is not necessary?

So we're supposed to be against any device that uses technology before it becomes industry standard. This is what I'm taking from the above opinion.


Really? BD drive are cheaper and faster now. When the PS3 came out they simply cost too much and there slower read speed compared to the DVD was a problem.

The cost and read speed problem out weight the benefit of extra storage, better video and sound quality.

Using the same logic of the OP... prove how have the Bluray impacted negatively on the games for PS3.

It was the price of the console, PS3 could of release the console for 100$ cheaper if it wasn't for the BluRay. It impacted negatively the sales of the console.

Sony incurred a massive lose because of the desicion to include a Bluray. The Ps3 would still be a great gaming console had they gone with DVD. 


Asked how it impacted the games, nor gaming or price to game.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari on 04 December 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Put cars on a second disc. Problem solved!

GT5 had a massive install to speed up load times.

Pick your poison.

I didn't cared about the Install...

And puting the cars on a second disc... do you have any info on how many Gbs all the cars data have??? Because GT5 is a double density BD, And I'm certainly that not only 8.7Gb are from cars... maybe you would like the Idea to have one disc for cars of each continent, and them you swap them depending on the brand you choose to play...

And about BD for the new gen... If it is now a good option (and for PS3 it wasn't), how you justify installing 35~50Gb per game??? To install of this size DVD would be a lesser problem than on the previous gen.

But I see people thinking its the biggest thing for the Xbone being a media player and kinect being it central comand, but I can't think of PS3 media capabilities without BD...

And now I'll bring one point no one brought... PS3 BD is region free =].

No, you install the cars from the second disc to the hard drive. Have you not played Forza?

I don't think Bluray is region free. PS3 games are region free.


PS3 is region free for Movies and Games on BD (on DVD its locked for region on movies, not sure about games, mine isn't BC).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

yvanjean on 04 December 2013
DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:
DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:
greenmedic88 said:
Is anyone conveniently overlooking the fact that all three 8th gen consoles are using BD format optical media for publishing games?

Yes, even the Wii U is using a proprietary violet laser drive based upon BD technology, developed by Panasonic, one of the developers of BD.

So... it wasn't okay for the PS3 to have a BD drive and now it's okay that the XB1 has one? Or would XB1 buyers or potential buyers rather have their games published on multiple DVDs or have to download significant portions of their retail games if MS could drop the price of their package by $20, $50, $10 because BD is not necessary?

So we're supposed to be against any device that uses technology before it becomes industry standard. This is what I'm taking from the above opinion.


Really? BD drive are cheaper and faster now. When the PS3 came out they simply cost too much and there slower read speed compared to the DVD was a problem.

The cost and read speed problem out weight the benefit of extra storage, better video and sound quality.

Using the same logic of the OP... prove how have the Bluray impacted negatively on the games for PS3.

It was the price of the console, PS3 could of release the console for 100$ cheaper if it wasn't for the BluRay. It impacted negatively the sales of the console.

Sony incurred a massive lose because of the desicion to include a Bluray. The Ps3 would still be a great gaming console had they gone with DVD. 


Asked how it impacted the games, nor gaming or price to game.


You think there no impact to game, just look at the WiiU and how there a lack of 3rd party support and delays because of the smaller installed base.

With smaller install base the system can't support as many software and getting funding for game gets much harder.



DonFerrari on 04 December 2013
yvanjean said:
DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:
DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:
greenmedic88 said:
Is anyone conveniently overlooking the fact that all three 8th gen consoles are using BD format optical media for publishing games?

Yes, even the Wii U is using a proprietary violet laser drive based upon BD technology, developed by Panasonic, one of the developers of BD.

So... it wasn't okay for the PS3 to have a BD drive and now it's okay that the XB1 has one? Or would XB1 buyers or potential buyers rather have their games published on multiple DVDs or have to download significant portions of their retail games if MS could drop the price of their package by $20, $50, $10 because BD is not necessary?

So we're supposed to be against any device that uses technology before it becomes industry standard. This is what I'm taking from the above opinion.


Really? BD drive are cheaper and faster now. When the PS3 came out they simply cost too much and there slower read speed compared to the DVD was a problem.

The cost and read speed problem out weight the benefit of extra storage, better video and sound quality.

Using the same logic of the OP... prove how have the Bluray impacted negatively on the games for PS3.

It was the price of the console, PS3 could of release the console for 100$ cheaper if it wasn't for the BluRay. It impacted negatively the sales of the console.

Sony incurred a massive lose because of the desicion to include a Bluray. The Ps3 would still be a great gaming console had they gone with DVD. 


Asked how it impacted the games, nor gaming or price to game.


You think there no impact to game, just look at the WiiU and how there a lack of 3rd party support and delays because of the smaller installed base.

With smaller install base the system can't support as many software and getting funding for game gets much harder.

I'm pretty satisfied with my library... 120 phisical plus some 40~50 digital (PSN+ helps a lot).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

BMaker11 on 04 December 2013
yvanjean said:
greenmedic88 said:
Is anyone conveniently overlooking the fact that all three 8th gen consoles are using BD format optical media for publishing games?

Yes, even the Wii U is using a proprietary violet laser drive based upon BD technology, developed by Panasonic, one of the developers of BD.

So... it wasn't okay for the PS3 to have a BD drive and now it's okay that the XB1 has one? Or would XB1 buyers or potential buyers rather have their games published on multiple DVDs or have to download significant portions of their retail games if MS could drop the price of their package by $20, $50, $10 because BD is not necessary?

So we're supposed to be against any device that uses technology before it becomes industry standard. This is what I'm taking from the above opinion.


Really? BD drive are cheaper and faster now. When the PS3 came out they simply cost too much and there slower read speed compared to the DVD was a problem.

The cost and read speed problem out weight the benefit of extra storage, better video and sound quality.

You conveniently ignored his last part "so we're supposed to be against any device that uses technology before it becomes industry standard". Why do you think BD drives are cheaper and faster now? You surely don't believe that they got better at developing them just on a whim instead of because the PS3 pushed BD as the norm. 

Don't bitch about "BD just cost too much" but be all hunky dory that it's cheap now so the XBone can use it. Without PS3, BD wouldn't have been supported, would have not been as invested in, resulting in manufacturers not taking the time to reduce production costs on them. Every new media is gonna be expensive initially and then cost less as they produce more and more of them. But don't forget that it had to begin somewhere and then praise it later when it's convenient. It's hypocritical. You can't be against devices that use technology before they become industry standard. Otherwise there will never be an industry standard.



BMaker11 on 04 December 2013
yvanjean said:


You think there no impact to game, just look at the WiiU and how there a lack of 3rd party support and delays because of the smaller installed base.

With smaller install base the system can't support as many software and getting funding for game gets much harder.

This still does not answer his question about how blu ray negatively affected PS3 games. In what way blu ray negatively affect how gameplay experiences/how games were developed. 

Lack of 3rd party support for the WiiU completely deviates from the question of how a medium helps or hinders video games.