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chriscox1121 on 03 December 2013

What do you expect from Gametrailers? Anyone who works there (exception Kyle Bosman) or they have as a guest appearance rarely has anything positive to say about Nintendo. It's like they pray for Nintendo not to be successful. The Wii U is in terrible shape, but people are thinking they are going 3rd party because of it are absolutely in fantasy land. I may be alone on this, but after this Christmas I'm expecting MS sales to drop off drastically and Sony to steal most of their momentum. For some reason I have had the inclination that console sales are not going to match 7th gen. I could be completely wrong, but we'll see what happens.




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NeoRatt on 03 December 2013
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:

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The Wii is in no way a fad.

It ushered in the all so popular features of your beloved 'hardcore' consoles, it popularised motion controls to the masses which allowed Microsoft to capitalise on the huge Wii fanbase with the Kinect.

The Wii was the start of a new way of gaming. Not a fad.

here is the funny part, microsoft are gonna be outsold by 20 million + by the end of this gen, by choosing weaker but more expensive hardware cause of kinect.

You have to look at it from a business perspective.

Sure, MS would love to beat SONY in sales numbers, but if MS can make profit on the XBONE it will be a success.

As it goes so far, they are making huge losses because of the massive investment they made in infrastructure (90 billion servers) but this will benefit them in the long run. Its not all about who sold the most, its who made the most profit.


motion controls were once a hot item, not anymore and microsft will pay for that heavy investment they made for the xbone, i guess they don't realize nobody cares about motion controls anymore.

Wii was a fad...

MS took what Wii created and made it into a long term game changer.

From a business perspective MS cannot just look at sales today, they have to look at sales well into the future.  With PS4 Sony has nothing that is going to keep that console moving after 4-6 years.  Sony will either have to change direction,  introduce new accessories, or a new console.  MS has an advantage because their view of X1 is so broad (Casual gamers, media nuts, fitness nuts, and core gaming).  MS will keep X1 sales constant for 6-8 years as long as they continue to bring core games along with the other elements they can sell.

To sell a console for more than 4-6 years you have to appeal to more than just the core gamer.  That's why MS is marketing its console to a broader market set.  It is setting itself up for a longer selling cycle.



RG3Hunna on 03 December 2013
NeoRatt said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:

...


The Wii is in no way a fad.

It ushered in the all so popular features of your beloved 'hardcore' consoles, it popularised motion controls to the masses which allowed Microsoft to capitalise on the huge Wii fanbase with the Kinect.

The Wii was the start of a new way of gaming. Not a fad.

here is the funny part, microsoft are gonna be outsold by 20 million + by the end of this gen, by choosing weaker but more expensive hardware cause of kinect.

You have to look at it from a business perspective.

Sure, MS would love to beat SONY in sales numbers, but if MS can make profit on the XBONE it will be a success.

As it goes so far, they are making huge losses because of the massive investment they made in infrastructure (90 billion servers) but this will benefit them in the long run. Its not all about who sold the most, its who made the most profit.


motion controls were once a hot item, not anymore and microsft will pay for that heavy investment they made for the xbone, i guess they don't realize nobody cares about motion controls anymore.

Wii was a fad...

MS took what Wii created and made it into a long term game changer.

From a business perspective MS cannot just look at sales today, they have to look at sales well into the future.  With PS4 Sony has nothing that is going to keep that console moving after 4-6 years.  Sony will either have to change direction,  introduce new accessories, or a new console.  MS has an advantage because their view of X1 is so broad (Casual gamers, media nuts, fitness nuts, and core gaming).  MS will keep X1 sales constant for 6-8 years as long as they continue to bring core games along with the other elements they can sell.

To sell a console for more than 4-6 years you have to appeal to more than just the core gamer.  That's why MS is marketing its console to a broader market set.  It is setting itself up for a longer selling cycle.


Casuals do NOT buy consoles, they do not care about gaming, they now game on their cell phones. If microsoft is depending on casual gamers to provide revenue for their video game market they are in for a rude awakening.

Casuals at one point in time were purchasing the wii console at an alarming rate and now all they do is purchase game apps from the app store to play on their cell phones. Casuals do not care about video games and they are not willing to dish out $399 or $499 for a console when they can spend $1.99 for an app to play angry birds or candy crush on their cell phone they got for free with their 2 year contract from their cell provider.

Casuals is NOT the way to go, the way to go is to target hard core gamers. 



NeoRatt on 03 December 2013
RG3Hunna said:
NeoRatt said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:

...


The Wii is in no way a fad.

It ushered in the all so popular features of your beloved 'hardcore' consoles, it popularised motion controls to the masses which allowed Microsoft to capitalise on the huge Wii fanbase with the Kinect.

The Wii was the start of a new way of gaming. Not a fad.

here is the funny part, microsoft are gonna be outsold by 20 million + by the end of this gen, by choosing weaker but more expensive hardware cause of kinect.

You have to look at it from a business perspective.

Sure, MS would love to beat SONY in sales numbers, but if MS can make profit on the XBONE it will be a success.

As it goes so far, they are making huge losses because of the massive investment they made in infrastructure (90 billion servers) but this will benefit them in the long run. Its not all about who sold the most, its who made the most profit.


motion controls were once a hot item, not anymore and microsft will pay for that heavy investment they made for the xbone, i guess they don't realize nobody cares about motion controls anymore.

Wii was a fad...

MS took what Wii created and made it into a long term game changer.

From a business perspective MS cannot just look at sales today, they have to look at sales well into the future.  With PS4 Sony has nothing that is going to keep that console moving after 4-6 years.  Sony will either have to change direction,  introduce new accessories, or a new console.  MS has an advantage because their view of X1 is so broad (Casual gamers, media nuts, fitness nuts, and core gaming).  MS will keep X1 sales constant for 6-8 years as long as they continue to bring core games along with the other elements they can sell.

To sell a console for more than 4-6 years you have to appeal to more than just the core gamer.  That's why MS is marketing its console to a broader market set.  It is setting itself up for a longer selling cycle.


Casuals do NOT buy consoles, they do not care about gaming, they now game on their cell phones. If microsoft is depending on casual gamers to provide revenue for their video game market they are in for a rude awakening.

Casuals at one point in time were purchasing the wii console at an alarming rate and now all they do is purchase game apps from the app store to play on their cell phones. Casuals do not care about video games and they are not willing to dish out $399 or $499 for a console when they can spend $1.99 for an app to play angry birds or candy crush on their cell phone they got for free with their 2 year contract from their cell provider.

Casuals is NOT the way to go, the way to go is to target hard core gamers. 

Casuals buy consoles for family / social activities at home. 

For example, right now where I live it is the start of winter...  The ambient temperature outside is -17 Celsius...  What can you do at home as a family at that temperature that is active?  As a family we can beat each other up, or get off their butts and play games like Wii Sports, Kinect Sports, Just Dance, Dance Central, etc...  Also, who wants to drive to a gym at that temperature and with two feet of snow?  That's what fitness games can do... 

I agree that casual numbers in games are dispersing to different devices...  But, casuals buy consoles because they want family oriented, active, and participative entertainment when outdoor conditions frankly are awful.



S.T.A.G.E. on 03 December 2013
Cleary397 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
nomad said:
It's okay not to like motion gaming, but it's here now and Will most likely stay. It opened new potential for gaming. Mobile, PS Move & Eye, DS4, Vita, Kinect, 3DS, etc. Fads just fade away without any real impact, Wii had an impact.


If it stays in the limelight its most likely because its being forced upon us ::Cough::Kinect::Cough::. Nintendo created a market but because they dont really care about gaming just the fad the overall market will shrink compared to last gen. Nintendo created a group of gamers they cannot depend on for generational sales. On the other hand Sony and Microsoft know what creates a loyal fanbase. Exclusives and healthy third party.

What?!

Nintendo dont care about gaming? That is literally all they care about.

Nintendo are, majority of the time, the company sole responsible for huge advancements in the gaming world.

If anything, its MS who doesnt care about gaming, with their huge media focus


No genius..I am not talking about existing Nintendo fans or core Nintendo fans. I am talking about the army of non-gamers Nintendo attracted to the industry. About 60%-70% of the people will NOT return, hence the pending void in the overall marketshare which analysts and others like myself are expecting.

Microsoft understands what people want, hence their exclusivity deals with EA and Activision. It just feels like they undermine peoples intelligence. Microsoft cares about entertainment more than gaming, you're right thats why they are here. Sony's dominance in console multimedia and gaming brought them to the dance.



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DélioPT on 03 December 2013

Nintendo is far behind being irrelevant in the home console business.
You become irrelevant when despite the good decisions you make, you still don`t attract gamers.

Wii U failed not because gamers don`t want it, Wii U failed because Nintendo failed in selling it.
Which is nothing new in the business and we have more than a few success stories of people who turned around their bad start.
And somehow people keep forgetting that. It`s like history teaches them nothing.



STRYKIE on 03 December 2013
Mr Khan said:
thismeintiel said:
Gotta love Nintendo fans who always fall back on the excuse that the Wii U isn't doing well because Nintendo "gave the industry what it wanted." Please. The Wii U is NOT what the industry wanted. In fact, they followed the EXACT same model they did with the Wii. HW that is slightly more powerful than last gen, which comes with a "gimmicky" controller, and is the cheapest console on the market. Unfortunately for Nintendo, it doesn't look like they are going to tap that well twice. If any thing, it seems they may continue on the downward slope their home consoles have been on since the SNES.

But hey, they always have the handheld market on lock.

It is what the industry wanted, it's easy to port to.

Your statement is just proof that what the industry wants is never what Nintendo provides (e.g., goal-post moving)

The original Xbox was easy to port to, the PS4 is easy to port to...



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EdHieron on 03 December 2013
NeoRatt said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:
gmcmen said:
Cleary397 said:

...


The Wii is in no way a fad.

It ushered in the all so popular features of your beloved 'hardcore' consoles, it popularised motion controls to the masses which allowed Microsoft to capitalise on the huge Wii fanbase with the Kinect.

The Wii was the start of a new way of gaming. Not a fad.

here is the funny part, microsoft are gonna be outsold by 20 million + by the end of this gen, by choosing weaker but more expensive hardware cause of kinect.

You have to look at it from a business perspective.

Sure, MS would love to beat SONY in sales numbers, but if MS can make profit on the XBONE it will be a success.

As it goes so far, they are making huge losses because of the massive investment they made in infrastructure (90 billion servers) but this will benefit them in the long run. Its not all about who sold the most, its who made the most profit.


motion controls were once a hot item, not anymore and microsft will pay for that heavy investment they made for the xbone, i guess they don't realize nobody cares about motion controls anymore.

Wii was a fad...

MS took what Wii created and made it into a long term game changer.

From a business perspective MS cannot just look at sales today, they have to look at sales well into the future.  With PS4 Sony has nothing that is going to keep that console moving after 4-6 years.  Sony will either have to change direction,  introduce new accessories, or a new console.  MS has an advantage because their view of X1 is so broad (Casual gamers, media nuts, fitness nuts, and core gaming).  MS will keep X1 sales constant for 6-8 years as long as they continue to bring core games along with the other elements they can sell.

To sell a console for more than 4-6 years you have to appeal to more than just the core gamer.  That's why MS is marketing its console to a broader market set.  It is setting itself up for a longer selling cycle.


7 years later and PS3 is still beating X360 each and every week with big time core games coming Holiday 2014.



zippy on 03 December 2013
gmcmen said:
curl-6 said:
gmcmen said:

not really boy bands were a fad that lasted 4-5 years, there some fads that even last longer, thing is about fads is they just become irrelevant, after being insanly popular.

But consoles normally last 5-6 years, so Wii is not abnormal.

like i said it doesn't matter how long it lasted, a fad is something every loves, then nobody cares about, wii going from 100 million, to its succesor on life support at the moment.

Does that mean the PS2 was a fad, because its successor fared worse??



STRYKIE on 03 December 2013
zippy said:
gmcmen said:
curl-6 said:
gmcmen said:

not really boy bands were a fad that lasted 4-5 years, there some fads that even last longer, thing is about fads is they just become irrelevant, after being insanly popular.

But consoles normally last 5-6 years, so Wii is not abnormal.

like i said it doesn't matter how long it lasted, a fad is something every loves, then nobody cares about, wii going from 100 million, to its succesor on life support at the moment.

Does that mean the PS2 was a fad, because its successor fared worse??

No, that just means the PS2 wasn't $600.



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