Oh please, even in the last years of its' life, the Wii still had games coming out that people found visually pleasing.

With a much smaller hardware gap between Wii U and PS4One than last gen's consoles and Nintendo's superb artstyles , the Wii U will hold its' own just fine.

Yeah, and during the first day in one territory PS4 sold over 25% of what Wii U has sold in over a year WW. Tomorrow it's gonna be over 50% of Wii U sales. THAT is absolute, you just give your opinion and have nothing to back it up by. Wii U is too expensive, nobody (except for fanboys) sees it as the better option. It's not worth what it offers, the games are good, but don't justify a $300 price tag. You really have to take your Nintendo glasses off, cause you are just making fun of yourself. I am still waiting for your comment on Super Mario 3D World, after you were giving me hell when I said it won't be the massive system seller and that Christmas will give Wii U a bigger boost than this game. Well it's out in Japan, 100k copies sold, no boost in hardware. Guess I was right after all? Just like I am when it comes to Wii U price and to it being too last gen to validate this price.

All the "incredible arguments" are cold hard fact and sad truth for people like you, who can't see the world outside of Nintendo.

stupid thread. IT WILL NOT BE DISCONTINUED BEFORE 2017
Mario and Luigi bundle sold out on Gamestop.com and after replenishing stock it's in the best seller list. Super Mario 3D World out did every single XB1 game on amazon pre-orders and beat everything in best-sellers list after the reviews.
Gamecube had more 3D Party support than both Wii and N64 so that lne makes no sense
WiiU gamepad is way different fro a tablet because it's withevery WiiU console so exclusive games like The Wonderful 101 can take advantage of it in amazing ways without increasing cost unlike Vita Remote play and Smartglass
WiiU sales increased during the PS4's launch week
WiiU is more suited for kids therefore christmas should be its real test
Nintendo got recent free advertisement as John Legend threw a Mario themed party
UK just got an Amazing MEGA Mario bundle
Playing DVDs or Blurays is an additional feature not a necessity and with the WiiU's library $300 is more than justifiable
Nintendo surprising an entire southwest flight with free WiiUs provides good publicity as does having WiiU's in lounges
All WiiU deluxe bundles sold out on Gamestop.com near the launch of 3D World
Here's a quote from Playeressence.com's owner Francis:
" I was at Walmart today, and I took a look at the Wii U section, and there was no Wii U’s in the display case again. I asked the assistant manager at the counter if they have been selling a lot of Wii U’s lately. He replied with yes, with a confused look on his face, probably thinking why would I ask him that?"

"Of course there were no Xbox One or PS4 systems, but the employee working there told me that the Zelda and Skylanders bundle have been popular since they came in."
With all those points presented if you want to bet reasonably I will accept it

Yeah we have one week, that is 2.5 times bigger than the Wii Us launch in that territory and actually more than the Wii U sold there in its first month, that alone should tell you a thing or two about what people think is a better deal.

Also the bolded paragraph makes no sense, how is the Wii U in any way the absolute better option? Sure for 300 bucks you get a Wii U with 2 games, but for 400 you get a PS4 that is multiple times stronger than the Wii U, which has free to play games like Planteside 2 and, like Scisca said you don't buy a console for the next couple months you buy it for the next couple years and in the next couple years PS4 owners can look forward to a ton of first and third party games that will never see the light of day on the Wii U, meanwhile on Wii U you will have great Nintendo games, sure but what if you don't care for them very much, what do you have left then? Nothing but a fragment of the third party support the PS4/X1 will get.

So I would go as far as to say that if you don't care much for Nintendo games, then the Wii U is without a doubt the absolute worst option of a next gen system out of the 3, and even if you care for them then I'd still recommend anyone to really think if they want to exchange the hundreds of third/first party games that won't come to the system for the at best 25-30 worthwhile games Nintendo will be able to produce for that thing.

Don't try to ask him about 3D world, I asked him yesterday on his wall and all he did was repeatedly delete my posts and derail the conversation. Good thing I took screenshots of all my post before he deleted them

Nintendo would rather sell horribly for 5 more years and then release a new console than betray customers like me. Now, the only way I could see them discountuining the Wii U and releasing a new console is if us wii u owners could trade our wii u's in and get a MASSIVE discount on the new console. And I think that the new console would have to be compatible with wii u gamepad/wii motes/wii u pro controller (as it's main "hardcore" controller) and be able to play Wii, Wii U, and the Wii 3 games.

bolded: how does that math works?

bolded2: no, you're as wrong as before if you continue to insist mario 3d world isn't a big system seller. and again, you back your "armazing arguments" with 1 whole week for one territory. I kinda see a patern.

bolded: it's cheaper, has more and better games. do i have to draw it for you?

Zero999; weren't you the one saying the Wii U would sell 2 million in November alone, end up with 3 million for December and 10.2 million before January, outsell the One and PS4 combined (both of them reaching about 2 million by year's end)?

That makes it kinda hard to take your reasoning around any subject seriously. And your talk of "absolute value" is nonsense and purely subjective, especially considering that the PS4 and One have had about a week and a few days to get any games, let's have this discussion again in November 2014, that's when the difference will be evident. People are also back and forth on which Mario is a system seller. 5k bump in Japan in November? Ouch. And it's not as if 2D Mario kept the Wii U from sinking like a stone from January and out.

I suppose you could just go the obvious vgchartz route though; "undertracked"!

Do you understand that the Wii U might end up selling about 3 million units for the entire calendar year?

Don't have a good argument? Just act arrogant, typical for you.

Read again what I wrote and then try too refute it. Just a little hint the Wii U is 25% cheaper than the PS4 while probably being around 4 times weaker, do you see what's wrong with that? Also sure, the Wii U has more games at the moment, but once again how long until this changes, maybe a year? If you seriously believe that the Wii U will for the rest of its life have more games than the PS4 (better is subjective anyway) then you are just delusional, like I said the Wii U is good for Nintendo games but if you don't like those then you have close to no reason at all to buy one.