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oniyide on 24 November 2013
Dv8thwonder said:
sc94597 said:
Dv8thwonder said:


Aonuma is a joke and it's time I shed light on why. Here is irrefutable proof that Aonuma is a cancer to Zelda and in turn the Wii U when his version of Zelda U is released. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/25/the-story-of-zelda-wind-waker

Please stop using Wind Waker as some barometric on why Zelda is cool because it's not. It's lame and so is Skyward Sword and so was Spirit Tracks or didn't the anemic sales of those titles not clue you in on how fucking awful they are. Twilight Princess is the bar that all modern Zeldas should be measured upon. Nothing else until something better comes along, which will be for a quite long time since Aonuma is so hellbent on destroying everything cool about Zelda and replacing it with fruitiness. His games are Playschool toys. Kiddie bullshit.

The amount of elitism in this post is disgusting. I prefer Twilight Princess to Wind Waker, but I enjoy and value WindWaker as an original, masterpiece deserving its place in the series. Sorry, but you're no real Zelda fan if you say something like this, " His games are Playschool toys. Kiddie bullshit." 

Side-note, that is somewhat relevant: 

Majora's Mask is (tied for) my favorite Zelda game, was the darkest Zelda game, the most "mature-themed"Zelda game, and it was made that way because of Aonuma. 


There is nothing of value in Wind Waker. Maybe if you value dumbed downed products I guess it is a perfect product for you. I'm probably the only Zelda fan that will tell you the truth. That Wind Waker is why the stigma of kiddie still pervaids to this day. Twilight Princess ironically was a glimmer of hope when it arrived. Skyward Sword and the recently released HD remake (ugh!) are the worst things to happen to the series as a whole. E3 2012 Zelda U demo is exactly what they did at SpaceWorld 2000. If this Zelda game is anything like WW or Skyward Sword in any way the Wii U is toast. Gamecube+ status.

to be fair, it already in GC status



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oniyide on 24 November 2013
labrats5 said:
Of course it should be top down: that's the only way to do a four swords-esque multiplayer. See most people here have no idea what they missed: four swords required so much hardware that few people ever played it the way it was meant to be played, and even then the graphics were lousy due to needing to run on gameboy hardware. But with the wii u having the screen in the controller that's all a thing of the past. I wouldn't be surprised if wii u four swords was one of the driving reasons behind having a tablet controller in the first place.


how the hell will that work if the WIi U could only support one tablet?



AgentZorn on 24 November 2013

The internet would explode into a sea of rage if that happened. Lots of people are expecting the game too take full advantage of the Wii U hardware.



NightDragon83 on 24 November 2013

No... Zelda U should be a sidescroller a-la Zelda II, because that's the only genre of games that sell on the system lol



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oniyide on 24 November 2013
NightDragon83 said:
No... Zelda U should be a sidescroller a-la Zelda II, because that's the only genre of games that sell on the system lol


all joking aside i actually wouldnt  mind a follow up or even remake of Zelda 2, just dont make it too brutal. Was a good game. Not for Wii U could be 3ds OR Ninty could take advantage of the online and kind of make a mid tier like game. Have it on a console but digital. Kind of like what almost every other publisher does.



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Dv8thwonder on 24 November 2013
labrats5 said:
Of course it should be top down: that's the only way to do a four swords-esque multiplayer. See most people here have no idea what they missed: four swords required so much hardware that few people ever played it the way it was meant to be played, and even then the graphics were lousy due to needing to run on gameboy hardware. But with the wii u having the screen in the controller that's all a thing of the past. I wouldn't be surprised if wii u four swords was one of the driving reasons behind having a tablet controller in the first place.

The less the Wii U has in common with Gamecube the better. Top down perspective should be for handhelds only.



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Dulfite on 24 November 2013
ktay95 said:
sure of course, because Nintendo dont want sales. Simply put both the game and WiiU would suffer a loss of sales with a 2D Zelda.

The # 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15, 18, and 20 best selling games of zelda would like to have a word with you. 2d Zelda games sell like crazy. Even Four Swords sold close to a million on the gamecube. 

1 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time N64 1998 Action Nintendo 4.10 1.89 1.45 0.16 7.60
2 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Wii 2006 Action Nintendo 3.61 1.97 0.60 0.66 6.83
3 The Legend of Zelda NES 1986 Action Nintendo 3.74 0.93 1.69 0.14 6.51
4 The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass DS 2007 Action Nintendo 1.80 1.75 0.95 0.47 4.97
5 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past SNES 1991 Action Nintendo 2.42 0.91 1.15 0.13 4.61
6 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker GC 2002 Action Nintendo 2.60 0.99 0.89 0.13 4.60
7 Zelda II: The Adventure of Link NES 1987 Adventure Nintendo 2.19 0.50 1.61 0.08 4.38
8 The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening GB 1992 Action Nintendo 2.21 0.96 0.54 0.13 3.83
9 The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword Wii 2011 Action Nintendo 1.89 1.03 0.36 0.36 3.65
10 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask N64 2000 Action Nintendo 1.90 0.67 0.73 0.06 3.36
11 The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks DS 2009 Action Nintendo 1.36 0.84 0.74 0.26 3.20
12 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3DS 2011 Action Nintendo 1.53 0.83 0.57 0.21 3.13
13 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past GBA 2002 Action Nintendo 1.75 0.52 0.33 0.10 2.70
14 The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX GB 1998 Adventure Nintendo 1.00 0.63 0.45 0.13 2.22
15 The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages / Seasons GB 2001 Adventure Nintendo 0.92 0.53 0.41 0.06 1.92
16 The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons GB 2001 Adventure Nintendo 0.87 0.52 0.41 0.06 1.86
17 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess GC 2006 Action Nintendo 1.15 0.36 0.04 0.04 1.59
18 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap GBA 2004 Action Nintendo 0.89 0.22 0.22 0.10 1.42
19 Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda GBA 2004 Adventure Nintendo 0.46 0.17 0.24 0.02 0.89
20 The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures GC 2004 Action Nintendo 0.63 0.16 0.00 0.02 0.81
21 Classic NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link GBA 2004 Adventure Nintendo 0.37 0.14 0.17 0.01 0.70
22 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker WiiU 2013 Action Nintendo 0.23 0.13 0.05 0.03 0.44
23 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap(weekly JP sales) GBA N/A Action N/A 0.00 0.00 0.27 0.01 0.27


oniyide on 24 November 2013
Dulfite said:
ktay95 said:
sure of course, because Nintendo dont want sales. Simply put both the game and WiiU would suffer a loss of sales with a 2D Zelda.

The # 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15, 18, and 20 best selling games of zelda would like to have a word with you. 2d Zelda games sell like crazy. Even Four Swords sold close to a million on the gamecube. 

1 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time N64 1998 Action Nintendo 4.10 1.89 1.45 0.16 7.60
2 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Wii 2006 Action Nintendo 3.61 1.97 0.60 0.66 6.83
3 The Legend of Zelda NES 1986 Action Nintendo 3.74 0.93 1.69 0.14 6.51
4 The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass DS 2007 Action Nintendo 1.80 1.75 0.95 0.47 4.97
5 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past SNES 1991 Action Nintendo 2.42 0.91 1.15 0.13 4.61
6 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker GC 2002 Action Nintendo 2.60 0.99 0.89 0.13 4.60
7 Zelda II: The Adventure of Link NES 1987 Adventure Nintendo 2.19 0.50 1.61 0.08 4.38
8 The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening GB 1992 Action Nintendo 2.21 0.96 0.54 0.13 3.83
9 The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword Wii 2011 Action Nintendo 1.89 1.03 0.36 0.36 3.65
10 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask N64 2000 Action Nintendo 1.90 0.67 0.73 0.06 3.36
11 The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks DS 2009 Action Nintendo 1.36 0.84 0.74 0.26 3.20
12 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3DS 2011 Action Nintendo 1.53 0.83 0.57 0.21 3.13
13 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past GBA 2002 Action Nintendo 1.75 0.52 0.33 0.10 2.70
14 The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX GB 1998 Adventure Nintendo 1.00 0.63 0.45 0.13 2.22
15 The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages / Seasons GB 2001 Adventure Nintendo 0.92 0.53 0.41 0.06 1.92
16 The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons GB 2001 Adventure Nintendo 0.87 0.52 0.41 0.06 1.86
17 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess GC 2006 Action Nintendo 1.15 0.36 0.04 0.04 1.59
18 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap GBA 2004 Action Nintendo 0.89 0.22 0.22 0.10 1.42
19 Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda GBA 2004 Adventure Nintendo 0.46 0.17 0.24 0.02 0.89
20 The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures GC 2004 Action Nintendo 0.63 0.16 0.00 0.02 0.81
21 Classic NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link GBA 2004 Adventure Nintendo 0.37 0.14 0.17 0.01 0.70
22 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker WiiU 2013 Action Nintendo 0.23 0.13 0.05 0.03 0.44
23 The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap(weekly JP sales) GBA N/A Action N/A 0.00 0.00 0.27 0.01 0.27


i think what he is trying to say is that the 2d zeldas dont move systems like the 3d ones. the chart kind of shows that too.



cusman on 24 November 2013
Mensrea said:

I've been playing ALBW a lot since yesterday. I'm floored with it. Honestly, I haven't had this much fun since Wind Waker. I feel like Zelda games lately have lost most of what made me like Zelda to begin with, but this game is knocking it out of the park. The world is super fun to explore, the game is smooth, combat is actually fun, I love it all.

 

That being said, I think that Zelda U should be in the same style. 3D Zelda has it's strengths, but really, I think 2D Zelda is overall better.  I'm sick of wrestling with the camera, and I want to be able to move and fight as fast as a 2D game. I truly believe that 2D Zelda is the best Zelda.

 

Thoughts?


I think just like both 2D and 3D Mario work well on the console, so too will a 2D Zelda game.

I personally wait for 3D Zelda entries as they tend to be the better Zelda games, but this one Zelda on 3DS which is top-down is changing many zelda convensions and being a better game for it.

I say, let them change some more Zelda convensions and do it for the 3D game on Wii U. But I would also have no objection to a 2D Zelda game made straight for Wii U where the graphics can be better... actually I expect there will be a Four Swords adventure type top-down Zelda for Wii U sooner or later.



teigaga on 24 November 2013

Ocarina of Time is still my fav game of all time... so no.

2D exploration will never match 3D when done at its best.