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kabamarutr on 23 November 2013
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:



bananaking21 said:

we all know why you are asking for this, its because recently cboat has been leaking bad leaks about microsoft. so no it shouldnt be. unless you provide data that proves that there where in fact no yeild issues then you have no legs to stand on with requesting that users should be banned for quoting a leaker who is most of the time right.  you always claim to be a man of "facts", care to provide any fact that proves there was no yield issues at all? spare me the 1 Million in 24 hour number, it did those numbers we get it, however it doesnt disprove the yield issue claims. 

No.

They should be moderated for spouting unproven bullshit. When there is undeniable proof of yield issues, sure, spread the news. Until then though its simply spreading FUD and it should be acted against. There has been no proof at all of these yield issues and until there is proof it should be treated as it is, a rumour. Nothing more.


You, my good man! Can you tell what's wrong with posting unproven, yet not negative rumours? Why should one be moderated for it? Has anyone posting 100% proven facts in this forum or any other?

We usually don't see this person there dissmissing the rumours of PS4 breaking A LOT. I love people that use gramsci way of accussing others of doing what you do.


I really didn't understand the last sentence. If the above person accuses others of doing what he himself does, then he can be described as hypocrite. If he doesn't, I still find his reaction a bit... too much. Demanding moderation for posting non-negative, non-positive rumours that do not hurt anyone is overreacting. Unless of course the rules forbid such posting.



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kabamarutr on 23 November 2013
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:
Can anyone explain what "yield issues" means?

Problems in the production... one of the means of yield is the "mold"... so when they say this is like after assembling or fabricating a part it doesn't pass the tests or standards.


Ι still don't understand why it is such a big deal.


No big deal.. if MS even with yield issues can produce enough to met demand (what they do to achieve that is their concern not ours)... is just that some people can't accept MS failing and others don't accept it suceding... well that is console war.

So, there's nothing wrong in posting a rumour, let alone a rumour of a not negative nature?

If you are not fabricating but just forwarding I see no problem (maybe the person should just post if he have enough "proof" or reason to believe its true)


If I come upon something on the net that is either good, or bad, or neutral for any gaming platform, I guess I have the liberty of sharing it with others; in a forum. Whether the source is very reliable, or not at all, is a matter for further discussion. Fora should be all about discussion.

100% agree... just wouldn't be favorable to posting a rumour you feel 100% certaing its wrong and pretend its truth just to flamebait others (and that happens seldom here).

A very reasonable thing to say.



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Carl on 23 November 2013
kabamarutr said:

You, my good man! Can you tell what's wrong with posting unproven, yet not negative rumours? Why should one be moderated for it? Has anyone posting 100% proven facts in this forum or any other?


Its spreading FUD and trying to make it sound like fact. Its misinformation. Talking about the rumours isnt a problem, but trying to make other people believe that the issues are real, when there is no proof for it, is simply spreading FUD. Going on about it over and over and over again especially without any kind of substantial proof just makes it look like the user in question is antagonising people.

Again, there is nothing wrong with posting rumours. Just dont try to spread misinformation.



                            

DonFerrari on 23 November 2013
kirby007 said:
Components were being shipped may/early june and since the ps4 didn't suffer any last minute adjustments you can bank on it that units were being put together in june. I'm not saying in the same production pace as september oktober but they were.

So its more of a believe than a certainty... since Sony anounced in february them they must have started before june...

I think they were probably making prototypes for production since january and may had the final look around march... maybe they even started production before may, but more like small units to figure early problems and better develop the production process...

Just to be clear, I do believe Sony started the production before MS (and I believe its related to yielding)... but I also believe that Sony or MS could produce more if they just decided to spend more money, so we can't rule out yield issue for none of them because as far as we know they could have a initial production a lot bigger if they wanted and/or didn't have problems.. It sure is a complicated calculation that they adjusted by the Pre-orders and forecasted profit. They are really huge companies that wouldn't mistake their production by a lot... and I'm almost sure that Ninty could have produced more Wii if they wanted during the boom, but choose to be always a little "behind schedule" and profit more on each unit and buzzword.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

kabamarutr on 23 November 2013
Carl2291 said:
kabamarutr said:

You, my good man! Can you tell what's wrong with posting unproven, yet not negative rumours? Why should one be moderated for it? Has anyone posting 100% proven facts in this forum or any other?


Its spreading FUD and trying to make it sound like fact. Its misinformation. Talking about the rumours isnt a problem, but trying to make other people believe that the issues are real, when there is no proof for it, is simply spreading FUD. Going on about it over and over and over again especially without any kind of substantial proof just makes it look like the user in question is antagonising people.

Again, there is nothing wrong with posting rumours. Just dont try to spread misinformation.

I see. Seems to me that you are talking about a behavioral pattern that keeps repeating and that is why you demand moderation. Do you still refer to the origin of the rumour, or you target a local user in particular?

If the latter is the case, have you reported previous behaviours? Has anyone else been behaving up to standards?



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DonFerrari on 23 November 2013
kabamarutr said:
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:



bananaking21 said:

we all know why you are asking for this, its because recently cboat has been leaking bad leaks about microsoft. so no it shouldnt be. unless you provide data that proves that there where in fact no yeild issues then you have no legs to stand on with requesting that users should be banned for quoting a leaker who is most of the time right.  you always claim to be a man of "facts", care to provide any fact that proves there was no yield issues at all? spare me the 1 Million in 24 hour number, it did those numbers we get it, however it doesnt disprove the yield issue claims. 

No.

They should be moderated for spouting unproven bullshit. When there is undeniable proof of yield issues, sure, spread the news. Until then though its simply spreading FUD and it should be acted against. There has been no proof at all of these yield issues and until there is proof it should be treated as it is, a rumour. Nothing more.


You, my good man! Can you tell what's wrong with posting unproven, yet not negative rumours? Why should one be moderated for it? Has anyone posting 100% proven facts in this forum or any other?

We usually don't see this person there dissmissing the rumours of PS4 breaking A LOT. I love people that use gramsci way of accussing others of doing what you do.


I really didn't understand the last sentence. If the above person accuses others of doing what he himself does, then he can be described as hypocrite. If he doesn't, I still find his reaction a bit... too much. Demanding moderation for posting non-negative, non-positive rumours that do not hurt anyone is overreacting. Unless of course the rules forbid such posting.

Fanboys are never reasonable... gramsci is communist ideologist (which aren't reasonable as well)... No mod will take instance about starting a thread of rumours (maybe if the person just create his own rumour and its flamebaiting)... and people nowadays are really sensible and overreacting... some weeks ago there were a lot of threads about how bully the PS fans were toward MS, its always the victimism posture (that communist love to use as well).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 23 November 2013
Carl2291 said:
kabamarutr said:

You, my good man! Can you tell what's wrong with posting unproven, yet not negative rumours? Why should one be moderated for it? Has anyone posting 100% proven facts in this forum or any other?


Its spreading FUD and trying to make it sound like fact. Its misinformation. Talking about the rumours isnt a problem, but trying to make other people believe that the issues are real, when there is no proof for it, is simply spreading FUD. Going on about it over and over and over again especially without any kind of substantial proof just makes it look like the user in question is antagonising people.

Again, there is nothing wrong with posting rumours. Just dont try to spread misinformation.

All rumour are missinformation unless they are proven, then they are not rumour anymore but facts... and not spreading rumours can also be missinformative since people won't have the chance to disscuss things.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

bananaking21 on 23 November 2013
Carl2291 said:

bananaking21 said:

we all know why you are asking for this, its because recently cboat has been leaking bad leaks about microsoft. so no it shouldnt be. unless you provide data that proves that there where in fact no yeild issues then you have no legs to stand on with requesting that users should be banned for quoting a leaker who is most of the time right.  you always claim to be a man of "facts", care to provide any fact that proves there was no yield issues at all? spare me the 1 Million in 24 hour number, it did those numbers we get it, however it doesnt disprove the yield issue claims. 

No.

They should be moderated for spouting unproven bullshit. When there is undeniable proof of yield issues, sure, spread the news. Until then though its simply spreading FUD and it should be acted against. There has been no proof at all of these yield issues and until there is proof it should be treated as it is, a rumour. Nothing more.

bananaking21 said:


just dont bother dude. let people live in a world full of delusions. i am still waiting for any factual prove that there was not a yield issue at any time. 

Instead of waiting for "factual prove" that there was yield issues? And youre talking about delusion?

Youre incredible.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5830285

 

when did i ever treat the yeild issues as anything but a rumor? or when did i ever say they were anything but? and since when were rumors a bannable offense on this site? im not the one who brought up the yield issues, im not the one who brought up cboat and im not the one who brought up banning users for discussing rumors.  did i claim Cboat was always 100% correct? no. however he has been correct many times before. the most recent example the resulotion gate issue. 

here is my original and first reply in this thread, now tell me who is spreading FuD? fact of the matter is Kowen suggested everybody who quotes Cboat to be banned just because cboat has been saying negative stuff towards MS lately. which is beyond ridiculous. if users start spreading FuD sure ban them, but there is no logical reason to be ban a person for informing others of a rumor, if you dont want to believe it, go ahead, if you do, its your choice. but you have no right to censorship what people can talk about here just because you or a few other uses dont like it. and dont go claiming other users spread FuD when it kowen who brought up cboat and the yield issues in the first place. 

oh and i know im incredible, i been told so many times before. 



kirby007 on 23 November 2013
DonFerrari said:
kirby007 said:
Components were being shipped may/early june and since the ps4 didn't suffer any last minute adjustments you can bank on it that units were being put together in june. I'm not saying in the same production pace as september oktober but they were.

So its more of a believe than a certainty... since Sony anounced in february them they must have started before june...

I think they were probably making prototypes for production since january and may had the final look around march... maybe they even started production before may, but more like small units to figure early problems and better develop the production process...

Just to be clear, I do believe Sony started the production before MS (and I believe its related to yielding)... but I also believe that Sony or MS could produce more if they just decided to spend more money, so we can't rule out yield issue for none of them because as far as we know they could have a initial production a lot bigger if they wanted and/or didn't have problems.. It sure is a complicated calculation that they adjusted by the Pre-orders and forecasted profit. They are really huge companies that wouldn't mistake their production by a lot... and I'm almost sure that Ninty could have produced more Wii if they wanted during the boom, but choose to be always a little "behind schedule" and profit more on each unit and buzzword.

part one of your post, is pretty funny but doesn't counter my statement at all

@bolded i agree

BUT Yielding issue isn't the same as scaling up production issues



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kabamarutr on 23 November 2013
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:
DonFerrari said:
kabamarutr said:



bananaking21 said:

we all know why you are asking for this, its because recently cboat has been leaking bad leaks about microsoft. so no it shouldnt be. unless you provide data that proves that there where in fact no yeild issues then you have no legs to stand on with requesting that users should be banned for quoting a leaker who is most of the time right.  you always claim to be a man of "facts", care to provide any fact that proves there was no yield issues at all? spare me the 1 Million in 24 hour number, it did those numbers we get it, however it doesnt disprove the yield issue claims. 

No.

They should be moderated for spouting unproven bullshit. When there is undeniable proof of yield issues, sure, spread the news. Until then though its simply spreading FUD and it should be acted against. There has been no proof at all of these yield issues and until there is proof it should be treated as it is, a rumour. Nothing more.


You, my good man! Can you tell what's wrong with posting unproven, yet not negative rumours? Why should one be moderated for it? Has anyone posting 100% proven facts in this forum or any other?

We usually don't see this person there dissmissing the rumours of PS4 breaking A LOT. I love people that use gramsci way of accussing others of doing what you do.


I really didn't understand the last sentence. If the above person accuses others of doing what he himself does, then he can be described as hypocrite. If he doesn't, I still find his reaction a bit... too much. Demanding moderation for posting non-negative, non-positive rumours that do not hurt anyone is overreacting. Unless of course the rules forbid such posting.

Fanboys are never reasonable... gramsci is communist ideologist (which aren't reasonable as well)... No mod will take instance about starting a thread of rumours (maybe if the person just create his own rumour and its flamebaiting)... and people nowadays are really sensible and overreacting... some weeks ago there were a lot of threads about how bully the PS fans were toward MS, its always the victimism posture (that communist love to use as well).


After all this talk and the demands for blood to be drawn, I forgot what this thread is about. It's about MS reaching million consoles. There are dozens of things to be said here. Many things that wouldn't hurt either "side". I, for one, wonder where all these gamers came from? Have the total numbers been increased, or has a great thirst for new hardware come upon people? This is a launch to be written with golden pages in history. 



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