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What is your opinion of day one patches for consoles and games?

they suck 73 38.83%
 
they are a necessary evil 54 28.72%
 
they rock!! 9 4.79%
 
i don't give a **** 52 27.66%
 
Total:188
Azerth on 08 November 2013

Why is this surprising. They had to change everything after the 180. Not really the big a deal at least to me



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Raven on 08 November 2013

It sucks, but its understandable. They changed their policies at the last minute, so they didn't have the time to change the software the Xbox One units shipped with. I will admit that this does suck for people without internet, but in 2013 that's such a small minority.



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DD_Bwest on 08 November 2013

The Ps4 update is confirmed to be 300mb



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Fusioncode on 08 November 2013
cbarroso09 said:
radishhead said:
Isn't that basically what the WiiU had?


no, no. Why people don't do their research. You were able to play any game you want from the get-go on the Wii U. The problem was if you wanted to access the internet browser or any internet based app like Miiverse and other. If you have internet you are going to get that update, but if you don't that doesn't matter when still can play any Wii and Wii U game you wanted. 

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kabamarutr on 08 November 2013
Chris Hu said:

Hold your horses until you know the size of both updates you can't claim that the one for the PS4 is much smaller.


Around 300mb

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/435420/day-one-ps4-firmware-update-150-adds-key-system-features/



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Landguy on 08 November 2013

this was well discussed weeks ago at this point.



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NeoRatt on 08 November 2013
Rychussnik said:
NeoRatt said:
Rychussnik said:
NeoRatt said:
Let's move on people...

All computers, smart phones, and consoles require patching to be on the Internet and to fix bugs.

The operating system of the PS4 and X1 consoles probably have over 50,000,000 lines of code. For people to believe that would ship bug free on day one is unrealistic.

Games probably have 10's of millions of lines of code... Again, for people to think they would be completely bug free is unrealistic.

Also, be prepared for frequent updates of both consoles in the first few months... New hardware, new operating systems, and new online patterns will not be smooth for either vendor.

Do I think everything should be perfect as a consumer... Yes... Is it realistic to expect everything will be perfect? No...

i understand what you mean, but, without the Xbox one update, you can't do anything.

Also, smartphones and computers aren't entirely applicable; i don't know about you, but my smartphone is always connected to the internet, and for the most part, it's the same with my computer. My consoles on the other hand, are not always connected to internet, and what about the people that don't have access to good internet?

Again, i do understand the need for a day one update, it just seems troublesome that you can't do anything without it. One more thing that i don't understand, is that if the ps4 had drm, but the patch takes it away, but you can still play games without installing the update, why can't you play games on the Xbox one without installing the update?


MS is in the position where they did a complete 180 on what was built into the firmware from the start.  Although I completely agree that the electronic should work when I buy it, I also understand the technical implication of why this can't happen in this case.  I am positive that MS did not want to ship a product that could not work without a patch, but, I bought one of the first Android phones and they often had the same issue, and have even bought a few computers where without a day one patch they were always crashing.  Although this is not normal in the console business, it is at least an acceptable exception in phones and computers.

There are a lot of coordinated events and logistics to shipping a product, chip production, motherboard production, etc.  The firmware on the shipping X1's is probably way back from early July which is about when they announced the change.  To strip all the DRM stuff out and fully test the 50 million lines of code was simply unfeasible unless they delayed the console.  I for one would prefer to do the "must have" day one update on November 22 rather than wait a few months for the new console.

i agree, but i think they should put the update on a cd and ship it with the consoles. I'm not going to lie and say that i know stuff about computers, cause i don't shit lol, but it seems like an oversight on there part, to reverse the drm policies months ago, and to still be required to have such an invasive update on day one that, basically frees the system. I get what you mean , but the ps4 had similiar policies in place, and it can play games on day one without the update; do you have an idea as to why the ps4 can play games and the xbox one can't?

Simply put, there have been a lot of changes to the OS and firmware since they started to build the devices.  Rather than making those changes backwards compatibile with the firmware on the devices they probably felt it helped the stability and quality of the system more by moving forward rather than having to work the backwards compatibility in.

I agree, an update physical disc would've been nice, but X1's started shipping from factory over a month ago and they are still burning the midnight oil on getting as much in as possible before launch.  I saw that Sony just finalized their day one patch earlier this week.  MS is experienced at finalizing software at the last second, so I assume they will finalize around Tuesday or Wednesday just before launch.



Chris Hu on 08 November 2013
kabamarutr said:
Chris Hu said:

Hold your horses until you know the size of both updates you can't claim that the one for the PS4 is much smaller.


Around 300mb

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/435420/day-one-ps4-firmware-update-150-adds-key-system-features/


But no one knows the size of the X1 day one patch yet so what is your point.



sergiodaly on 08 November 2013
Rychussnik said:

i agree, but i think they should put the update on a cd and ship it with the consoles. I'm not going to lie and say that i know stuff about computers, cause i don't shit lol, but it seems like an oversight on there part, to reverse the drm policies months ago, and to still be required to have such an invasive update on day one that, basically frees the system. I get what you mean , but the ps4 had similiar policies in place, and it can play games on day one without the update; do you have an idea as to why the ps4 can play games and the xbox one can't?

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ummm?? that was a rumor, never confirmed afaik... so its not the same.

@OP
this was expected since the announcement of the 180º... does MS let people update from a USB pen like the PS4? if it does, its the best option to load that on a pen just before launch to avoid the *$%#" load the servers will have to deal with...

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Mad55 on 08 November 2013

This news is months old and the only people who will really care are those without internet and if you don't have the internet how do you know about the patch anyway lol.