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kupomogli on 05 November 2013
eFKac said:

That was not my point. I'm not saying that those games sold poorly compared to sales in Japan. What I'm saying is, no Japanese game outsold Resistance Burning Skies.

If it's not Final Fantasy, it will not make a substantial difference in the fate of Vita in the West. Yearly port of Call of Duty or preferably a slightly changed version of it, with a bundle has a much better chance.

Ragnarok Odyssey sold more in the US than Resistance Burning Skies.  It's showing 0 sales in Europe though, so not sure if it didn't sell in Europe or if it's undertracked.   

The point is, the game sold just as well in the west or almost as they did in Japan.  So there's no reason we shouldn't get more Japanese games.  Publishing costs are far less than development costs. Atleast the Japanese releases all sell a decent amount in the west. 

Most western games don't sell crap in Japan yet most still get Japanese releases.  People always talk about shipping and localization costs for games that are making their way to the west, games that sell 200,000 easily(Tales,) but almost every US release has a Japanese release, most of them make next to no sales, and what about the localization, shipping, and packaging costs for those games?

Japanese sales numbers for popular western releases.  For multiplatform games, the sales are both PS360 numbers.  Dragon Age Origins(110,000,) Dragon Age 2(60,000,) Skyrim(340,000,) Oblivion(240,000,) Uncharted 2(210,000,) Uncharted 3(190,000,) Heavy Rain(60,000,) Beyond: Two Souls(30,000.)  Games that are just as text heavy as your average JRPG.  Yet not only do we not get Japanese RPGs, we don't get Japanese games that would otherwise sell over here that aren't RPGs. 



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Fusioncode on 05 November 2013

It seems strange to me that Sony hasn't been able to convince Square or Konami to make some exclusive games like they did with the PSP. I know the install base is small but a Final Fantasy or Metal Gear should change that.



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

Gehirnkrampf on 05 November 2013

another ONE SIMPLE reason to save the vita.



must-have-list for platforms i don't own yet:

WiiU: Donkey Kong

XBone: Dead Rising 3, Ryse

orniletter on 05 November 2013

Sony, One "Simple" Thing Will Save The Vita

-fixed



eFKac on 05 November 2013
kupomogli said:
eFKac said:

That was not my point. I'm not saying that those games sold poorly compared to sales in Japan. What I'm saying is, no Japanese game outsold Resistance Burning Skies.

If it's not Final Fantasy, it will not make a substantial difference in the fate of Vita in the West. Yearly port of Call of Duty or preferably a slightly changed version of it, with a bundle has a much better chance.

Ragnarok Odyssey sold more in the US than Resistance Burning Skies.  It's showing 0 sales in Europe though, so not sure if it didn't sell in Europe or if it's undertracked.   

The point is, the game sold just as well in the west or almost as they did in Japan.  So there's no reason we shouldn't get more Japanese games.  Publishing costs are far less than development costs. Atleast the Japanese releases all sell a decent amount in the west. 

Most western games don't sell crap in Japan yet most still get Japanese releases.  People always talk about shipping and localization costs for games that are making their way to the west, games that sell 200,000 easily(Tales,) but almost every US release has a Japanese release, most of them make next to no sales, and what about the localization, shipping, and packaging costs for those games?

Japanese sales numbers for popular western releases.  For multiplatform games, the sales are both PS360 numbers.  Dragon Age Origins(110,000,) Dragon Age 2(60,000,) Skyrim(340,000,) Oblivion(240,000,) Uncharted 2(210,000,) Uncharted 3(190,000,) Heavy Rain(60,000,) Beyond: Two Souls(30,000.)  Games that are just as text heavy as your average JRPG.  Yet not only do we not get Japanese RPGs, we don't get Japanese games that would otherwise sell over here that aren't RPGs. 


Did you read the OP? Whether Japanese releases in the West are a good business decision or not are not the topic of conversation. I don't even know why did you post the third and fourth paragraph.

OP states that there is an easy way to save the Vita in the West. Localise those unlocalised Japanese games and localise more overall. I disagree, I don't think it would be impactful. You?



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walsufnir on 05 November 2013
eFKac said:
I think you really overestimate the importance of Japanese games for the Western audience, where the Vita struggles the most. It already has a lot of different kinds from bigger titles to totally niche stuff that has been localised and it didn't light up the charts.
You say the Persona 4 Golden is the 4th best selling game on the Vita, that's true. But without Japanese sales how high would it be?


I think generally a lot of people overestimate the importance of japanese games. We have a lot of jrpg-fans here which tend to believe that their favourite genre still plays an important role in gaming but I think these times are mostly over. Not saying jrpgs are crap - I think I have finished more than any game from any other genre but saleswise they don't matter that much anymore (besides Japan and Poketon).



Panama on 05 November 2013

The first two years of the 3DS had anything but a consistent flow of new games in the West yet it still sold leagues better than the Vita. The damage is done, the 3DS is entrenched in the consumers mind, the Vita could get an exclusive GTA and it wouldnt even make a dent. All Sony can hope for is that some PS4 customers also consider picking up a Vita.



kupomogli on 05 November 2013
eFKac said:


Did you read the OP? Whether Japanese releases in the West are a good business decision or not are not the topic of conversation. I don't even know why did you post the third and fourth paragraph.

OP states that there is an easy way to save the Vita in the West. Localise those unlocalised Japanese games and localise more overall. I disagree, I don't think it would be impactful. You?

It would be.  Let's say you have 10-15 retail games at Gamestop.  Two years later there's about 12-17 retail games with the same 10-15.  Do you really think that people who are somewhat interested in the Vita but keep seeing that no new games are there each time they look will really push sales?  

If these Japanese games actually received releases, they'd get more of the people interested in these niche games to start purchasing the system.  They'd also start selling more consoles simply on the basis that the Vita is getting new games frequently rather than having the same games on shelves for two years straight. It doesn't matter what games show up.  It could be a bunch of shovelware.  But with no retail games releasing makes it look like there's no new games releasing at all.  So Japanese games would have pushed sales for there simply being more games, and they would have sold.  What else is there for Vita owners to buy? 

walsufnir said:

I think generally a lot of people overestimate the importance of japanese games. We have a lot of jrpg-fans here which tend to believe that their favourite genre still plays an important role in gaming but I think these times are mostly over. Not saying jrpgs are crap - I think I have finished more than any game from any other genre but saleswise they don't matter that much anymore (besides Japan and Poketon).

Japanese games aren't exclusively JRPGs.  Also look what I wrote above.  The Vita needs retail games and it doesn't matter what it is.  JRPGs, shovelware, etc.  Anything  to appear that the Vita is getting more games rather than sitting with the same 10-15 games on the shelves for two years. 

Sony not activiely pushing for retail titles to be released, offering incentives or anything like that, they're pretty much killing the Vita themselves because they just don't care. Nintendo is atleast supporting both the 3DS and Wii U.  They're atleast trying to make both of their consoles succeed, and in the long run, that'll be all Nintendo needs, because Nitendo will have helped the Wii U enough to make people start taking notice.   



Kaizar on 29 November 2013
Scisca said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

So what is the one thing the 3DS has that the Vita doesn't?  A consistant flow of new games.  Indies are nice and all, but they will have little to no impact on sales, it needs actual retail games.  I'm not gonna say Sony needs to start making a ton of Vita games because all their studios are busy with the PS4 and I have no idea how many are capable of developing both at the same time, but seriously all Sony needs to do is start localizing the dozens of Vita games in Japan and they will get that consistant flow of games.  

For anyone saying Japanese games will not make a difference look at the highest selling games on the Vita, the 4th highest selling is a JRPG, Persona 4, only beaten by big exclusives Uncharted, CoD and AC.  If you look at the list these multiplatform games sell terible with the exception of a few and the JRPGs are selling pretty well and yet Sony's Third Party Production Team isn't focusing on localizing JRPGs, they are getting more multiplatform games in the form of Borderlands 2...

When you look at the PSP one of the main reasons to buy it was the huge liabrary of JRPGs that got localized and now Sony has gone in the complete opposite direction.  Localizing these games will cost very little to Sony and it makes no sense that they are not doing it.  So what do you guys think?


@Bold - BS! Vita has a constant flow of games - just check how many games are released in October and November. The problem is that these games are middle tier games, not big time games that draw a lot of attention and can sell loads of hardware. Japanese games? Yeah... Wouldn't do much, really. With a few exceptions, I don't want Japanese games all that much. Sony should bring over the best titles and the jRPGs, it would obviously be nice, but it's just an extra. I want Western games. Most Western gamers want Western games. The problem is Sony was stupid to support PS3 in 2013 instead of Vita.

Every single platform needs a year in which it gets at least 8-10 AAA big time mindblowing 1st party games + a couple of AAA 3rd party games. Every single one. PS3 needed that, 3DS needed that, Wii U needs that (and is getting it right now starting with Zelda: WW HD) and Vita is no different. It needs a lot of love in a short period of time. It needs to get an exclusive God of War, a Naughty Dog game, Infamous, Gran Turismo, another Killzone (they have the engine and assets, use them to make another game), a Patapon, 2-3 Sony 1st party RPGs (they have the IPs - Rogue Galaxy, Dark Cloud, Legend of Dragoon, etc., they can make a new one as well), maybe a Heavenly Sword 2 and a Twisted Metal (they got the engine from the PS3 - just port it and make a game) plus 2-3 new games coupled with a bunch of big 3rd party games like Bioshock Vita, MGS V spin-off, an exclusive FF game, Persona 5, Morrowind HD, another exclusive Assassin's Creed, maybe a Soul's game and GTAV: San Andreas Story and... you have a saved console. Obviously though, it all has to be released in a single year, 15 months maximum. One punch after another, so that people see they are missing out big time if they ignore the Vita. Cause as it is now, an average gamer in the West sees a big game every 5-6 months. Not much really to get excited about.

This is pretty much what Sony needs to deliver to save the Vita. It's not like it's something unique or different from other platforms. Every single platform needs such a treatment, there is no way around it, Nintendo is doing it right now with the Wii U. Can you imagine Vita not selling after getting so many games in one year? And when it starts to sell - third parties will flock to it, bacause they will see a viable market there. They will even in the West, because developing for Vita is cheaper than developing for PS3, let alone PS4! Still, the burden is on Sony to make it happen.

 

So to sum up - one simple thing Vita needs is 8-10 major 1st party AAA games in one year coupled with GTAV: San Andreas Stories. And for bloody hell just kill the PS3 1st party support...


The 3DS now has a constant flow of games, plus the PS Vita is just a 2DS. Plus the 3DS has always had the way better quality of games, for example Kid Icarus: Uprising.

And even the Wii U is selling more then the PS4 during the same week for crying out loud, like 3 times more. And the XBox ONE has better lifetime sells to add insult to injury. (I personally never liked XBox)