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impertinence on 02 October 2013
SSJGohan3972 said:
impertinence said:

I don't recognize morals as subjective.

I'm really not certain how to respond to that.


Very Interesting, I won't try to change your opinion there as that would be almost pointless I'll just say I disagree and it sounds like someone saying 'I don't recognize that fact as a fact'.

Is murder wrong?



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SSJGohan3972 on 02 October 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
If you bought a game, you are allowed a copy of that game. No such restrictions apply as to how you get that copy.

I torrent stuff all the time that I don't share. How someone got to that conclusion I have no idea unless they never torrented a file before.

I apologize if I wasn't clean, torrenting itself is sharing (you are receiving a file someone else is sharing).

To be fair the "restrictions on how you get that copy" actually do apply if you want to strictly adhere to the law.

But again the OP asked about whether we feel that it is morally right/wrong not legally - that's a different discussion that we will both be on the wrong side of unfortunately.



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SSJGohan3972 on 02 October 2013
impertinence said:
SSJGohan3972 said:
impertinence said:

I don't recognize morals as subjective.

I'm really not certain how to respond to that.


Very Interesting, I won't try to change your opinion there as that would be almost pointless I'll just say I disagree and it sounds like someone saying 'I don't recognize that fact as a fact'.

Is murder wrong?

There are several instances where I could/would commit murder and be fine with it, but mostly I believe it is morally wrong - others might disagree with me (in fact I know of a few circumstances that my own best friend disagrees with me)



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Zkuq on 02 October 2013

To answer the question: yes.

impertinence said:
SSJGohan3972 said:
impertinence said:

I don't recognize morals as subjective.

I'm really not certain how to respond to that.


Very Interesting, I won't try to change your opinion there as that would be almost pointless I'll just say I disagree and it sounds like someone saying 'I don't recognize that fact as a fact'.

Is murder wrong?

Depends on the case. You can pretty much name a simple thing that's easy to label as wrong or right, but just as easily I can describe a situation where it's not at all clear whether the thing you just labeled as right of wrong is right or wrong. Well, technically I suppose such cases have to be such where you have to decide between two wrongs, but it won't be at all clear nonetheless.



impertinence on 02 October 2013
SSJGohan3972 said:
impertinence said:
SSJGohan3972 said:
impertinence said:

I don't recognize morals as subjective.

I'm really not certain how to respond to that.


Very Interesting, I won't try to change your opinion there as that would be almost pointless I'll just say I disagree and it sounds like someone saying 'I don't recognize that fact as a fact'.

Is murder wrong?

There are several instances where I could/would commit murder and be fine with it, but mostly I believe it is morally wrong - others might disagree with me (in fact I know of a few circumstances that my own best friend disagrees with me)

Where is the justification for punishing murder if the moral merit of the act is merly subjective? Keep in mind that we are talking about murder, not homocide.



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Zkuq on 02 October 2013
Arcturus said:
Why not just create a backup copy of your digital purchases?

DRM pretty much kills the advantage of doing that.



osed125 on 02 October 2013

Yes, you have the right to download the game. Although the problem goes beyond this, like for example, not being able to play the whole game because it requires to be connected to the internet or something similar, but that's a different issue.



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osed125 on 02 October 2013
Zkuq said:
Arcturus said:
Why not just create a backup copy of your digital purchases?

DRM pretty much kills the advantage of doing that.

There are ways around this, but you have to be pretty knowledgeable to do it yourself.



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SSJGohan3972 on 02 October 2013
impertinence said:

Where is the justification for punishing murder if the moral merit of the act is merly subjective? Keep in mind that we are talking about murder, not homocide.

Two things

 

1) You assume a justification for punishing murder, that is a human construct (animals don't get together and try to punsh the alpha male that decided to kill off another for instance)

2) The definition of murder as opposed to homocide is also subjective, this is one set of definitions I found:

mur·der
 [ múrdər ]
  1. crime of killing somebody: the crime of killing another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law
  2. something difficult or unpleasant: something that is very difficult or unpleasant and involves great effort or hardship
  3. kill somebody illegally: to kill another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law
I can see lots of wiggle room there unfortunately


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ListerOfSmeg on 02 October 2013
SSJGohan3972 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
If you bought a game, you are allowed a copy of that game. No such restrictions apply as to how you get that copy.

I torrent stuff all the time that I don't share. How someone got to that conclusion I have no idea unless they never torrented a file before.

I apologize if I wasn't clean, torrenting itself is sharing (you are receiving a file someone else is sharing).

To be fair the "restrictions on how you get that copy" actually do apply if you want to strictly adhere to the law.

But again the OP asked about whether we feel that it is morally right/wrong not legally - that's a different discussion that we will both be on the wrong side of unfortunately.

okay yeah that does make more sense but the other person is sharing it not you and you have a right to a copy. Not everyone has the ability to make a ROm of a Cartridge though, yet they still have a right to a back up. That part of the law sounds more like a loophole to keep people from being able to have a back up. Not sure it would stand up in court.