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Gamecube said:
Option- said:
Cannot understand what's so bad about an insurence as an European. Many people will be helped!!


Unspoken rule of american politics, "The title of the bill states the opposite", aka the bait and switch. It's called the "Affordable Care Act", if it's such a great thing why are unions, congressman, senators and POTUS exempt. If it's so affordable why are congressional staffers getting special subsidies. People are also displeased because we do not like being forced to buy things. This you must buy unless you renounce citizenship or die.

Except insurance premiums are going down. 



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Gamecube said:
Option- said:
Cannot understand what's so bad about an insurence as an European. Many people will be helped!!


Unspoken rule of american politics, "The title of the bill states the opposite", aka the bait and switch. It's called the "Affordable Care Act", if it's such a great thing why are unions, congressman, senators and POTUS exempt. If it's so affordable why are congressional staffers getting special subsidies. People are also displeased because we do not like being forced to buy things. This you must buy unless you renounce citizenship or die.

Unions aren't exempt.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/white-house-labor-obamacare-exemption-96793.html

Congress isn't "exempt" either.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/25/fact-check-congress-staff-are-exempt-from-obamacare/

As for the special subsidy, well, that existed long before the Affordable Care Act.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/08/no-special-subsidy-for-congress/

Preserving the subsidies was also something that Republicans pursued:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=0B949373-4D76-4622-8CE7-223370CC6B5E

And technically, you aren't being forced to buy anything. You can refuse to have healthcare. You'll just have to pay a tax:

"The money collected from these taxes goes towards funding ObamaCare and subsidizing hospitals who will have to cover unpaid emergency room visits. The money is also a down payment on your almost inevitable use of the health care system."

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-individual-mandate.php

And unless you're Superman, you WILL eventualy usethe healthcare system.



Vetteman94 said:
Gamecube said:
Option- said:
Cannot understand what's so bad about an insurence as an European. Many people will be helped!!


Unspoken rule of american politics, "The title of the bill states the opposite", aka the bait and switch. It's called the "Affordable Care Act", if it's such a great thing why are unions, congressman, senators and POTUS exempt. If it's so affordable why are congressional staffers getting special subsidies. People are also displeased because we do not like being forced to buy things. This you must buy unless you renounce citizenship or die.

Except insurance premiums are going down. 


Where? Each year i pay more for less coverage since Obama has been in office



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

Gamecube said:
Option- said:
Cannot understand what's so bad about an insurence as an European. Many people will be helped!!


Unspoken rule of american politics, "The title of the bill states the opposite", aka the bait and switch. It's called the "Affordable Care Act", if it's such a great thing why are unions, congressman, senators and POTUS exempt. If it's so affordable why are congressional staffers getting special subsidies. People are also displeased because we do not like being forced to buy things. This you must buy unless you renounce citizenship or die.

Or just... refuse to buy it. It'll cost you less to do so (~$2000 a year) than it would to buy into a plan in most cases.



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Vetteman94 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:
marley said:
spurgeonryan said:
He would rather have the country collapse than make concessions about his baby.


Why should he have to make concessions about a law that has already passed through congress years ago, has survived MANY repeal attempts, and was held up by the SCOTUS?  It is wrong for the Republicans to hold the countries funding hostage by attaching it to the healthcare act.  They created this situation.  It's extortion and it's going to hurt a lot of regular people.


Its wrong to hold a gun to my head telling to buy health insurence.

No one is doing that,  you can opt out if you want to

Wrong, you will have to pay a fine if you dont have health insurence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way the asswipes who voted for this law for us peons do not want it themselves.



 

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Paying for the unpaid emergency room bills of the uninsured is hardly "having a gun to your head".



It's yearly, meant to cover what the uninsured cost the healthcare system.

You can find more in depth information here.

www.obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-individual-mandate.php



Vetteman94 said:
Gamecube said:
Option- said:
Cannot understand what's so bad about an insurence as an European. Many people will be helped!!


Unspoken rule of american politics, "The title of the bill states the opposite", aka the bait and switch. It's called the "Affordable Care Act", if it's such a great thing why are unions, congressman, senators and POTUS exempt. If it's so affordable why are congressional staffers getting special subsidies. People are also displeased because we do not like being forced to buy things. This you must buy unless you renounce citizenship or die.

Except insurance premiums are going down. 

Mine sure as hell aren't. Gone over 20% year over year.



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Okay, this isn't funny anymore. Al Jazeera America, always willing to tell the hard truths that corporate media won't, surveys the wreckage of a once proud nation:

I am currently in Korea and still like to know what the weather is at my house in PA. The government shutdown prevents me from receiving the National Weather Service tweets and keeping up with the weather back home. 

- Stephanie in Korea

What is she supposed to do? Go to weather.com like some kind of an animal?

This is on your head, Ted Cruz.



LiquorandGunFun said:
marley said:
spurgeonryan said:
He would rather have the country collapse than make concessions about his baby.


Why should he have to make concessions about a law that has already passed through congress years ago, has survived MANY repeal attempts, and was held up by the SCOTUS?  It is wrong for the Republicans to hold the countries funding hostage by attaching it to the healthcare act.  They created this situation.  It's extortion and it's going to hurt a lot of regular people.


Its wrong to hold a gun to my head telling to buy health insurence.


1. Who's holding a gun to your head?  Did Obama personally drive to your house and pull a gun on you?  If you don't want insurance then don't get insurance and pay the tax.  Why should everyone else pay higher insurance premiums to cover your uninsured hospital visits? 

2. Regardless of your opinion of the bill, using an otherwise routine budget process to try to delay or kill the new health care law is extortion and wrong. 


Let's also remember that much of ObamaCare actually came from the Republican party. Individual mandate was the Republican alternative to HillaryCare's single payer system. Individual mandate was at the heart of the Republican plan for 2 decades, but now it's bad? That's right, the thing they're so up in arms about was THEIR idea to begin with. Democrats only adopted the mandate because they thought it would help them win Republican support (how ironic).  The Republicans voted NO on EVERYTHING, including the healthcare bill that they've been pushing for decades, simply to try to make Obama a one term president. They've even admitted to this strategy.  Their opposition to this bill is ENTIRELY political and nothing more.  They're going to hurt real people over some childish politics.  

 

Here's some interesting reading for you:
The Republican plot to obstruct President Obama began before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

 

^ That sums up their opposition to a bill that they've been pushing for decades.  They're obsession with stopping Obama at any cost is going to hurt them in the next election.