It's as simple as "do you like what MS is offering?" If yes then good for you, buy it. If not then shut the fuck up and buy something else.

That analogy makes no sense... You cannot drive a car that does not come with tires. Maybe if you compared the PS4 sans camera to say a car without a cd layer or radio would be more relevent.

You don't need the camera do ANY of the required functions on the PS4 you do need it to take advantage of the facial recognition and the cameras ability to track who has what controller etc. Which is no where near having a car with no tires...

or maybe it's just a new product which simply has a camera as part of it.

Kinect is included with every Xbox One because it is one of the primary elements that Microsoft is using to set its console apart from the rest. Without it, many of their talking points would be lost, like Skype, television voice commands, voice/motion integration into the UI, and so on. Of course, many gamers don't care about voice commands, motion control, or Skype, but Microsoft sees potential in attracting the people that do, and is gambling on that with the increased price of having Kinect in each box.

At the same time, games like Guitar Hero, Rock Band, Wii Fit, and so on, have shown that people will buy accessories for software, so I wouldn't count Sony's optional approach out either. Additionally, if a multiplatform game that utilizes motion control is easy to port between the Xbox One and PS4, then developers may still support motion control games on the PS4, even if it has a smaller install base for the Eye and Move.

With that said, the anti-consumer remark in the headline was obviously trying to sensationalize what wasn't really a controversial article.

I think the comparison stands. The Blu-Ray did drive the cost of the PS3 up and it was a feature that not everybody wanted but if you wanted a PS3, you had no choice in the matter.

if it would be more comfortable to have a cam as separate part of a phone then we would all get it as separate part nowadays. 

and no, it wouldn't make sense to integrate kinect 2 in the console  just to let some people believe that this is the reason why it is part of every console like a cam in a phone is part of every phone. there is obviously another reason why the cam is integrated in the phone but a separate part of xbox one^^

Very true and everyone thinking logically knows it, unless you have a strong bias interfering with your logic.

Hush you.

No one's here to actually discuss the pros and cons of including a peripheral within your console package and how that affects the consumer and development ecosystem. We're talking about whether you're with Sony, or with Microsoft. You must choose, and once you do, there is no going back!

For Lord (Cerny/Ballmer)!

Anti consumer is them going pay to play instead of free to play.

No. If the ps3 was a ps2 but with bluray then it wouldnt have been close to 600dollars (if sony was still willing to take a loss.. which they did with ps2 so im sure they would have.) The costly cell, wifi and included HDDraised the price and bluray was a natural progression